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Avrin Dennard

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Post 2018.06.27 09:44

Bustard

Ok you fitting superstars this one is a blank canvas. There are no UniWiki or Fleet-Up fittings for the Bustard so feel free to suggest fits that work well for you.
As a start point I have trawled the zKillBoard to arrive at the most popular fit being used lately. Please comment on it.
Thanks Avrin.

Bustard Shield MWD-Cloak
SPOILER WARNING!
[Bustard, Shield MWD-Cloak]

Damage Control II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II

50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
EM Ward Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II

Improved Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Last edited by Avrin Dennard on 2018.07.03 20:55, edited 2 times in total.
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Raido Kudonen

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Post 2018.06.27 13:01

Re: Bustard

I would like to gently point out that unlike combat-fit ships (especially fleet combat-fit ships), checking zkill for hauling-fit ships will tend to select the worst fits, as DSTs' and blockade runners' chief merit is that they are fairly hard to kill if properly fit.

Also, note that it's quite difficult to successfully MWD cloak trick with an overheated AB (the overheat bonus makes it technically possible, but I think only with a shinier afterburner), and that your best tank is always the MWD cloak trick. The other tank is a backup to let you reapproach the gate with the heated AB. So you probably want dual prop to make that work well.
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Avrin Dennard

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Post 2018.06.27 14:36

Re: Bustard

Thanks Raido.
Your zKill comment makes sense.
I'll look into changing up to a 50MN MWD and edit the fit.
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Hirmuolio Pine

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Post 2018.06.27 15:18

Re: Bustard

If the DST is used for hauling valuable cargo (1bil+) I think it is best to bling it a bit.

If throwing extra 200 mil on the fit saves your 1 bil cargo even once it is very good deal.

Notes on fitting:
* Hauling is boring. Having to MWD+cloak trick every time gets old fast and some people use stealth bombers for ganking so you won't be seeing them on the gate. So I would rely primarily on tank to survive.
* Agility modules are useless. Single prop mod cycle (AB or MWD) will get you to warp in 10 seconds regardless of your agility (except some really slow ship). Protip: Set auto repeat off so the prop mod will cycle only once when you activate it.

Here is one rather tight all tank fit I quickly put together. Both CPU and PG are at 99% with all V. Swapping one power diagnostic system for rector control unit and blinging the resist modules make it much easier to fit.

SPOILER WARNING!
[Bustard, Shield]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN Afterburner II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender

Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
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Shintu Felper

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Post 2018.06.27 17:46

Re: Bustard

I have a dual prop bustard fit I used down in nullsec for running around to contribute to the conversation.

SPOILER WARNING!
[Bustard, Bustard - Dual Prop]
Damage Control II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II

50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Medium Micro Jump Drive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Explosive Deflection Amplifier II

Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
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Avrin Dennard

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Post 2018.06.27 20:34

Re: Bustard

Thanks Shintu,

I have 103% on CPU for that fit but I think that is within the guidelines. Any comments?
Last edited by Avrin Dennard on 2018.06.27 20:41, edited 1 time in total.
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Avrin Dennard

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Post 2018.06.27 20:41

Re: Bustard

Thanks Hirmuolio,

This is a strong fit. 160k EHP!

Maybe we have a contender for the fit? Anyone care to comment on Hirmuolio's fit? AB vs MWD seems to be the sticking point at the moment.

Thanks.
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Post 2018.06.28 00:44

Re: Bustard

From what I have been able to conclude, there are two principle DST fits.

A) Highsec. These are best fit with tank, and more of it the better.

The Impel is the last word in tank: up to 1.1M EHP for roughly 40 seconds. The Occator is second best with good utility (triple prop is a thing for some people) or dual prop with a good buffer. I don't like the shield DSTs, because their tank interferes with their prop mods. My DST uses dual prop with an afterburner for align time and a MJD for bumping immunity with just over 400k EHP. Any DST with less than 400k EHP for tank fit is not a good DST fit.

Another problem with shield DSTs is Pithum C-Type AIFs are rather expensive compared to even C-Type EANMs for the Impel and Occator.

Here's the best I could come up with. 408k EHP with everything overloaded and all V, 448k EHP with Genolution implant set with SM-705 implant. Do not use CDFE rigs on ships with at least one shield extender module. You may elect to swap for RF LSEs depending on prices and how high you have trained SU. SU V is really nice on super tight fits.
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[Bustard, Bustard - Shield AB No Guns Buffer]

Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith C-Type EM Ward Field

Improved Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II


Prices for DSTs have gone up because of the costs of T2 materials. For that reason you should really invest in your tank. I spent about 2 days wrangling over my DST fit, and I'm pretty happy with it. There are three things that will scare me: Tornados on the ingate (multiple), bomber blobs and Caracal ganks. Through my research I found multiple references to a particular character who multiboxes (see other characters on any good DST kill) the Rammstein Gang usually near Niarja and specializes in ganking DSTs. He made me sit up straight and seriously think about my tank.

DSTs which rely on the cloak + MWD trick are not immune to a proper setup involving a decloaker. People forget that industrials are slow, and they don't move very much from their initial spawn point on the gate, so they're easy to decloak. Blockade runners are different.

B) Lowsec, Nullsec and W-space.

For these areas of space you should focus on evasion or evasion with an okay tank. The Occator is the best for these areas (people seem to like the triple prop setup for some reason), but this page isn't about it, so I won't get into that. The Mastadon is probably the worst, because of its shield tank but has too many lows.

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[Bustard, Bustard - Shield Dual Prop No Guns Evasion Focus]

Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Medium Micro Jump Drive
Cetus Scoped Burst Jammer
Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Improved Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II


When using a DST in these quarters of space you should go escorted. A basic Derptron or my favorite Slasher is an excellent choice to go ahead, then either a Caracal if you're going cheap; the Osprey Navy Issue makes a decent escort ship to fend off interceptors and cloaky dictors. DSTs like these are best used to haul stuff like cruiser hulls and other annoying things that won't fit in a Blockade Runner and you can't get someone to JF or cargo Rorqual it out. If it's just about 10k m3, a low/W-space/nullsec fitted blockade runner is probably a much better choice, particularly if you can sort out a bridge with a BLOPs.

Another option would be to fit up with a minor tank and a cyno if you're operating in places where your favorite large nullsec bloc lives, but I'd rather have it escorted by something else that can carry the cyno because it's kind of bad to get stuck there on grid for 10 minutes with 5b in your hold even with triage on field. Okay BB probably won't be able to cook your 400k EHP DST with a triage carrier on field, but when things escalate real bad it's best for non-combat ships to not be there.
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Post 2018.07.08 12:28

Re: Bustard

793k EHP
SPOILER WARNING!
[Bustard, *Plex Tanked 2]

Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Shadow Serpentis Damage Control
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System

Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith X-Type Explosive Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field

[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II


A more sensible T2 fit with 277k EHP
SPOILER WARNING!
[Bustard, New Setup 1]

Damage Control II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II

EM Ward Field II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Improved Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II


completely high sec fits.
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