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Azrael Feanorian

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Post 2018.06.14 09:11

Celestis

Greetings!
And here we go with the Celestis.

These are the fits today published on the wiki:

Celestis: Armor
SPOILER WARNING!
[Celestis, Armor]

Damage Control II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

10MN Afterburner II
Phased Muon Scoped Sensor Dampener
Phased Muon Scoped Sensor Dampener
Phased Muon Scoped Sensor Dampener
Phased Muon Scoped Sensor Dampener

Small YF-12a Smartbomb
Small YF-12a Smartbomb
Small YF-12a Smartbomb

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Inverted Signal Field Projector I


Vespa EC-600 x5


Targeting Range Dampening Script x1


Celestis: Shield Damp
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[Celestis, Shield Damp]

Damage Control II
Signal Amplifier II
Mark I Compact Capacitor Power Relay
Mark I Compact Capacitor Power Relay
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Phased Muon Scoped Sensor Dampener
Phased Muon Scoped Sensor Dampener
Phased Muon Scoped Sensor Dampener
Large Shield Extender II

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x1
Targeting Range Dampening Script x1


Celestis: PvP Damp Basic
No Rigs?
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[Celestis, PvP Damp Basic]

Damage Control I
800mm Steel Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Signal Amplifier I
Signal Amplifier I

50MN Microwarpdrive I
Remote Sensor Dampener I
Remote Sensor Dampener I
Remote Sensor Dampener I
Remote Sensor Dampener I

Small Energy Neutralizer I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]


Vespa EC-600 x3
Hornet EC-300 x2


Scan Resolution Dampening Script x4
Targeting Range Dampening Script x4



A few ideas:

Personally I like the long range version.
Celestis: Long Range Drone
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[Celestis, Long range]

Damage Control II
Energized Armor Layering Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script

Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Particle Dispersion Projector II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
[Empty Rig slot]


Hammerhead II x5

Notes:
- EHP: almost 11K
- Ranges (sensors, damps & drones): over 120-130km
- DPS: 251 (volley: 1000)




Suggestions?
Any other proposal

thanks!
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Raido Kudonen

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Post 2018.06.14 14:25

Re: Celestis

What do drones contribute to the fleet, given the travel time for medium drones?

Why do you care about the ship's EHP if you intend to engage at such long distances? If you just want a little bit of buffer, why not use bulkheads or something similar over the (generally useless) Armor Layering Membrane? On the flip side, since drones aren't really very important, wouldn't you have a lot more tank if you stacked resists and had an armor plate?

What's the impact of falloff on your sensor dampeners? Wouldn't you contribute more by staying within optimal and tanking the ship enough to catch reps? (Note that if you're in an armor fleet, DPS engaging at 20km-30km and logi being 40km-50km behind that is a very normal engagement profile - a Celestis 60km-70km from the bad guys is very normal.)
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Glasi Vookto

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Post 2018.06.14 14:34

Re: Celestis

The armor buffer one is ok for fleets with logi. Depending on the preferred prop mod in fleet it you might want to swap AB with MWD. Also t2 damps > meta 4 since the last module tiericide. Here's a reworked fit:
SPOILER WARNING!
[Celestis, Armor Buffer]

Damage Control II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Remote Sensor Dampener II
Remote Sensor Dampener II
Remote Sensor Dampener II
Remote Sensor Dampener II

Small Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu
Drone Link Augmentor II
[Empty High slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x5


The shield fit is not viable, you'd have to drop too many mids to mount a tank decent enough to catch reps. In shield fleets a Keres tanks much better.

The third fit is horrible, should be removed.

Your last proposed fit is not very good. You're trying to do two things (damps and DPS) and fail at both. When it comes to ewar ships, it's usually better to focus on their main role. Here's a long range fit that works well for QRFs and stuff like that:
SPOILER WARNING!
[Celestis, Long Range]

Damage Control II
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Capacitor Power Relay II

50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Remote Sensor Dampener II
Remote Sensor Dampener II
Remote Sensor Dampener II
Remote Sensor Dampener II

Medium Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer
Medium Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer
Medium Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer

Medium Particle Dispersion Projector I
Medium Particle Dispersion Projector I
Medium Particle Dispersion Projector I


Acolyte II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


Has no tank, so it's imperative to keep range. A single flight of light drones will push you off pretty quickly, let alone getting tackled and shot at.

In a small gang scenario the Celestis is not very viable. It's slow, big sig and can't be properly tanked. You get similar performance from a Maulus or Keres with much more survivability.

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