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Avrin Dennard

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Post 2018.06.05 13:47

Scorpion

Listed below is the existing fit for the Scorpion. Please review this fit or post new ones if they are an improvement over this one.

Range Scorpion
SPOILER WARNING!
[Scorpion, Range Scorp]

Damage Control II
1600mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I
'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I
'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I

500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Enfeebling Scoped Ladar ECM
Enfeebling Scoped Ladar ECM
Umbra Scoped Radar ECM
Umbra Scoped Radar ECM
BZ-5 Scoped Gravimetric ECM
Hypnos Scoped Magnetometric ECM
Sensor Booster II

Auto Targeting System II
Heavy Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Heavy Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb

Large Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
Large Particle Dispersion Projector I
Large Particle Dispersion Projector I


Wasp EC-900 x2
Vespa EC-600 x2
Hornet EC-300 x1


Scan Resolution Script x1
Notes:
Cap is only 45s with everything on.
There is enough PWG & CPU spare to swap out some of the T1 modules for T2.

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Post 2018.06.07 14:44

Re: Scorpion

Due to the shared diminishing returns between the Signal Distortion Amps and the Particle Dispersion Augmentors, the fourth module of the type is only 27% effective and only results in a .2 increase to jam strength.

There are 2 solutions: the rig can be dropped for a targeting, or trimark rig. Or better yet because of the ample fitting left one of the signal distortion amps could be dropped for a second 1600mm plate increasing EHP by another 8k. There are also other options with the low slot/rig like a signal amplifier or energized adaptive nano plating.

Also in relation to cap stability, the fit is stable as a jamming platform with only pulsing the prop and not running high slots. On this kind of fit you would not be running everything flat out.

I would recommend looking through the killboards for scorpions as the meta seems to no longer involve the auto-targeter. The highslot now also tend towards Rapid Lights(anti-frig) or Rapid Heavies(anti-cruiser). There are also some dual prop, high tank, and high dps variants floating around.
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Post 2018.06.08 12:17

Re: Scorpion

SPOILER WARNING!
[Scorpion, Arminius Zamayid's Scorpion]
1600mm Steel Plates II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

500MN Microwarpdrive II
Gravimetric ECM II
Ladar ECM II
Magnetometric ECM II
Magnetometric ECM II
Radar ECM II
Radar ECM II
Radar ECM II

Torpedo Launcher II,Scourge Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II,Scourge Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II,Scourge Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II,Scourge Rage Torpedo

Large Anti-Explosive Pump II
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

Hornet EC-300 x10


The above loss is a good example of something that fits the meta better. There's no point using Scorpions if you're going for max range, align-tanked jams - you would be much better off using a Falcon. I'd personally go with RHMLs, a heavy neut for cruelty to undersized ships, and maybe an MJD over the second Gallente jam. (You don't need a cap booster for this kind of Scorpion; you'll have either Guardians or Apostles on grid for all reasonable uses of heavy jam battleships.)

There's also a lovely trollish solo fit, best typified by Red Kardia, which uses a bonused burst jammer and the other 7 mids for tackle and tank. You can do a cheaper double XLASB fit as well. Either guns, torps, or RHMLs work well; swap mids out depending on what best helps you to apply. Probably wouldn't put it on the wiki though.
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Post 2018.06.08 14:42

Re: Scorpion

Thanks for the replies guys.
I've trawled zkillboard and picked out a common theme for each slot. See what you think.
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[Scorpion, Scorpion Armor]

Damage Control II
1600mm Steel Plates II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Ballistic Control System II

500MN Microwarpdrive II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Gravimetric ECM II
Ladar ECM II
Magnetometric ECM II
Radar ECM II
Multispectral ECM II

Heavy Energy Neutralizer II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Anti-Kinetic Pump I


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
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Post 2018.06.08 15:14

Re: Scorpion

Unfortunately, what you've accomplished by "pick[ing] out a common theme" is making a fit that's worse at each different role than a properly dedicated fit.

The BCS is not good for fleet jamming fits, because the Scorpion already has bad tank for a battleship and needs all lows dedicated to tank. The utility neut is okay for that role, but the sensor booster and Multispectral ECM are taking slots that should go to additional Radar ECMs. (This is because most armor brawler fits expect to need to jam either Guardians or a carrier's worth of fighters, which is why you start by carrying extra Radar ECMs, then have a depot and other jams in your cargo for potential refits.)

A neut/RHML setup is characteristic of solo play (you shut down the tank/prop of something small, then RHML it to death), but a solo or even a small gang Scorpion would typically have shield tank, DPS, and (if solo) tackle mids.

I lost one of our old Dragonslayer Scorpions a long time ago, when I was just a newbie and I flew the Scorpion because I only had Caldari battleships and battleship weapons trained (from "leveling up my Raven" in a brief career as highsec scrub). It's pretty close to the standard fleet fit, although the nos is bad and everything should be T2. I'd go with a heavy neut just in case of needing to haze tackle in this kind of fit.

SPOILER WARNING!
[Scorpion, Raido Kudonen's Scorpion]
1600mm Steel Plates II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
BZ-5 Scoped Gravimetric ECM
Enfeebling Scoped Ladar ECM
Hypnos Scoped Magnetometric ECM
Umbra Scoped Radar ECM
Umbra Scoped Radar ECM
Umbra Scoped Radar ECM
Umbra Scoped Radar ECM

Medium Knave Scoped Energy Nosferatu
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I,Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I,Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I,Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I,Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile

Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

Infiltrator II x5
Warrior II x5
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Post 2018.06.09 18:46

Re: Scorpion

Hi Raido,

I'm a noob at fitting so thanks for the advice. I notice you've fitted mostly T1's for this this ship. When I'm suggesting fits in the future should I match the ship tech level with the weapons even if they can fit higher?

Apart from preferring Radar and T1's I wasn't a mile off with my suggestion by the look of it so there's some hope for me. :D

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Post 2018.06.09 22:04

Re: Scorpion

Raido Kudonen wrote:It's pretty close to the standard fleet fit, although the nos is bad and everything should be T2. I'd go with a heavy neut just in case of needing to haze tackle in this kind of fit.
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Post 2018.06.09 22:06

Re: Scorpion

Raido Kudonen wrote:
Raido Kudonen wrote:It's pretty close to the standard fleet fit, although the nos is bad and everything should be T2. I'd go with a heavy neut just in case of needing to haze tackle in this kind of fit.


In general, you always want to make sure your fit is as focused as possible on the specific role you're trying to fill. Hope this helps when you design your own fits in the future!
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Post 2018.06.10 17:38

Re: Scorpion

Ok, I think we may be iterating towards a solution. Please comment. Thanks.

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[Scorpion, Scorpion Armor ECM RHML]

Damage Control II
1600mm Steel Plates II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

500MN Microwarpdrive II
Gravimetric ECM II
Ladar ECM II
Magnetometric ECM II
Radar ECM II
Radar ECM II
Radar ECM II
Radar ECM II

Heavy Energy Neutralizer II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile

Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior II x5
Infiltrator II x5


Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile x1000
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Post 2018.06.10 23:12

Re: Scorpion

That's pretty reasonable. Note that in most cases the Restrained MWD is better than the T2 MWD and that some battleship fleets would have you refit one of the ECMs to a Large MJD.
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Post 2018.06.10 23:18

Re: Scorpion

Thanks guys! Will publish tonight.

Raido wrote:some battleship fleets would have you refit one of the ECMs to a Large MJD

Only some, why to not always fit LMJD? Yes, 1 ECM module less... but survivability...?

Raido wrote:a solo or even a small gang Scorpion would typically have shield tank, DPS, and (if solo) tackle mids

What about the shield version? Anybody has it handy? or can come up with one?
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Post 2018.06.10 23:57

Re: Scorpion

Jumping a Scorpion away from its support makes it more likely to die, rather than less.

I already linked an active shield Scorpion above. Here's the fit:
SPOILER WARNING!
[Scorpion, Red Kardia's Scorpion]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Power Diagnostic System II

500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
Heavy Stasis Grappler II
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Sentient Burst Jammer
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Warp Scrambler II

Heavy Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer
Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Void L

Large Ancillary Current Router II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Acolyte II x5
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Post 2018.06.11 02:37

Re: Scorpion

I found this interesting Scorp shield fit on zkill, more solo, not really ewar fit.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/70382445/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/70220180/

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[Scorpion, Another Solo]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
IFFA Compact Damage Control

500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Burst Jammer II
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
Large Micro Jump Drive
Shield Boost Amplifier II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster,Navy Cap Booster 400

Improved Cloaking Device II
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I,Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I,Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I,Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I,Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Higgs Anchor I
Large Particle Dispersion Augmentor II

Ogre II x2
Ogre II x1
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Post 2018.06.11 04:14

Re: Scorpion

Raido Kudonen wrote:I already linked an active shield Scorpion above.

Still don't see, but as you posted ... :)

Are you sure 640M is a reasonable price for a T1 BS fit? That amplified does help, but it is SO expensive. Plus T2 LACR rig - 150M. I've compacted Neut and it can fit with T1 rig:

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[Scorpion, MWD Blast+Neut - Solo]

Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Power Diagnostic System II

500MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Heavy Stasis Grappler II
Warp Scrambler II
Sentient Burst Jammer
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 3200

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Heavy Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II


Acolyte II x5


Null L x500
Void L x500
Navy Cap Booster 3200 x6


@Shintu Felper: why Higgs Anchor rig? Is it for rolling? And depending on the expected engaging target, I feel like HML don't always win vs Blasters. Plus I will like Burst Jammer + LMJD is too much: you either break locks and run or try removing scram and MJD-off. But in this fit I see no effective way to kill small tackle: no Grappler, no neuts... :( no-go
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Post 2018.06.11 04:32

Re: Scorpion

And... is there any good shield version for a fleet use?
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