Daytripping 103 June 18th [Completed]

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Sterling Boirelle

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Post 2018.06.04 07:05

Daytripping 103 June 18th [Completed]

Daytripping 103 "1-2 hours"

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Start: Open House c4
Date + time: June 18th @ 3:15 "eve time"
Duration: 2 hour
Area: Wormhole Space
Communications: Fleet chat + E-uni Private mumble
Fitting/ship: RR Nestors
SPOILER WARNING!
[Nestor, Nestor]
Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Centus B-Type Armor Explosive Hardener

Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Large Micro Jump Drive

Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Egress Port Maximizer II
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Remote Repair Augmentor I



Warrior II x5
Praetor II x6
Hornet EC-300 x5
Curator II x6
Ogre II x6

Conflagration L x10
Tracking Speed Script x3
Scorch L x10

Feel free to meta as needed for example if you meta the drones its alot easier to get into. Also ill be adding some more fittings as i consult with people from the fittings department and other folks.

What are the objectives of this event: We are going to run some c5 sites with Nestors and a few other ships that can survive.


It is recommend you start making arrangements to bring ships in and coordinate with the open house to figure out what else you can bring that wont die. I will make every effort to include anyone who wants to come but this is not as easy as daytripping 102.

Recommendations:
Only fly what you can afford to lose!
Cheap or no implant clone is a good idea

Attendance
SPOILER WARNING!
Shintu Felper
Derby Dank
Ariel Beltrafulano
Vladimir Antonovich
xivik skord
Budda Sereda
Sterling Boirelle
Last edited by Sterling Boirelle on 2018.06.18 07:35, edited 3 times in total.
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Vladimir Antonovich

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Post 2018.06.10 21:55

Re: Daytripping 103 June 18th

As an alternative, this fit for the Armageddon can be used by an Alpha.

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[Armageddon, Armageddon RR Alpha]
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Prototype Armor Explosive Hardener I
Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier

100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Denny Enduring Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Denny Enduring Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I



Hornet EC-300 x5
Federation Navy Ogre x5
Republic Fleet Warrior x5

Tracking Speed Script x12

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Budda Sereda

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Post 2018.06.13 07:18

Re: Daytripping 103 June 18th

Do you have a clone bay in your WH? I'm not sure if I join, but I do have a clone full of implants and a RS that can survive in C5... could be fun to join you .
Join in-game "Budda's Fleet" channel for impromptu activities and quick updates on my future fleets.
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Sterling Boirelle

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Post 2018.06.13 09:01

Re: Daytripping 103 June 18th

Budda Sereda wrote:Do you have a clone bay in your WH? I'm not sure if I join, but I do have a clone full of implants and a RS that can survive in C5... could be fun to join you .

A man after my own heart with a solo c5 rattle lol yes we have a clone bay. looking forward to seeing you if you can make it this time or in the future.
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Post 2018.06.14 02:44

Re: Daytripping 103 June 18th

For those Alpha pilots who want to take part in a Nestor spider tanking fleet, there is a cheaper and faster alternative. After some discussion with Vladimir, we came up with an idea. A Dominix would work in such a fleet with a mix of T1 Faction & T2 modules.

Example:

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[Dominix, Dominix]

Damage Control II
Upgraded Armor Explosive Hardener I
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
1600mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

Warp Scrambler II
Drone Navigation Computer I
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Denny Enduring Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I



Federation Navy Ogre x5

Tracking Speed Script x2

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The Dominix will not be as effective at remote repairing and it's align time is twice as long as that of a nestor, however, it can be much tankier and drones will have better optimal range and tracking.
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Post 2018.06.15 07:17

Re: Daytripping 103 June 18th

We have tested the fleet composition and it works out rather nicely with alphas especially if they run the Dominix fitting derby came up with.
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Post 2018.06.15 15:13

Re: Daytripping 103 June 18th

As a note the dominix and geddon fits have been tweaked a bit to better fit with the fleet composition:

Dominix
SPOILER WARNING!
[Dominix, Domi C5 Alpha]
Damage Control II
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

Drone Navigation Computer I
Drone Navigation Computer I
Denny Enduring Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery

Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I



Republic Fleet Warrior x5
Federation Navy Ogre x5
Imperial Navy Praetor x5

Tracking Speed Script x1
Optimal Range Script x1


Geddon
SPOILER WARNING!
[Armageddon, Geddon C5 Alpha]
Damage Control II
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

Drone Navigation Computer I
Denny Enduring Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery

Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I



Republic Fleet Warrior x5
Federation Navy Ogre x5
Imperial Navy Praetor x5

Tracking Speed Script x1
Optimal Range Script x1
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Post 2018.06.16 23:00

Re: Daytripping 103 June 18th

Shintu Felper wrote:As a note the dominix and geddon fits have been tweaked a bit to better fit with the fleet composition

Few things I would recommend to improve:

1. Rats in C5 can neut BADLY. Domy is not cap stable (even in cap chain, especially with low skill pilots). You can stop transmitting power when under neuts, but still With that, I would strongly advice to replace active resist with passive. Yes, your EHP will a bit less lower, but you won't have any resist hole if neuted out. And even with incoming reps,.. you can just mess up and miss to restart your hardener.

2. 100k EHP tank is enough, even for C5. You don't need that much really (assuming players are on their balls). I'd replace Trimark rig with another Egress one

3. Scram on a PvE ship? On a fit with no prop mode? Why? Why to not fit MJD to GTFO when in danger?

4. And because time to time on some C5 sites you need to navigate, why not to use an AB instead of scram?

5. For PvE fit in WH you do need to have Mobile Tractor Unit

6. It is highly advisable to have Mobile Depot and probes for any trip into WH (you can disconnect and will need to find the way out later on).

7. There are many small ships in C5, I'd recommend to have smaller drones in cargo to clean frigates

And the thing I'm not 100% sure about is if you really need something like TP or Webifier to speed up dealing with frigates. I'd put web and TP into cargo and asked one of members in fleet to use one.

The last but important thing to mention: that composition can ONLY work if you have 4-5 Domies: otherwise risk is they won't be able to hold incoming DPS, will need to OH and bounce.

Hope this helps.

SPOILER WARNING!
[Dominix, PvE - Original OpenHouse copy]

Damage Control II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Steel Plates II
1600mm Steel Plates II

100MN Afterburner II
Drone Navigation Computer II
Large Cap Battery II
Large Cap Battery II
Denny Enduring Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script

Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer

Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I


Ogre II x5
Valkyrie II x5
Ogre II x5
Warrior II x5
Warrior II x5


Warp Scrambler II x1
Stasis Webifier II x1
Core Probe Launcher II x1
Large Micro Jump Drive x1
Target Painter II x1
Core Scanner Probe I x16
Mobile Depot x1
Mobile Tractor Unit x1
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Post 2018.06.17 01:22

Re: Daytripping 103 June 18th

I think you might be looking at the wrong domi fits as mine does not have scram on it, no longer has a trimark, and has light drones(missing drones were oversight on pasted fit before). All the ships including the nestor are highly unstable; best skills you can stable 2 reps with a third pulsing; those extra reps there are for eating high dps early part of waves and not meant to be perma run. In addition if you are being neuted, you are being primaried so you will have no outgoing reps going and the 46-50% reduction in the neuts from batteries depending on fits cap chain should be stable unless we are doing the drifter escalation in which case you will be removed from cap chain as primary and let neut out. This is part of why we went to a fully passive tank on the ships.

Navigation is done by slowboating except when we have to heavily reposition in which case the Nestor's MJD, the geddon/domi are meant for alphas which cannot fit MJD at all. In these situations the alpha toon warps to a nearby celestial, nestors MJD, then the alpha warps back in. Any other prop is pointless as they can keep up with the slowboating Nestors.

In relation to refitting for probes etc and mobile depot. The Nestors have ship maint bays meaning they can refit off each other and so can any domi/geddon with you as well. Of course it is a good idea to carry a mobile depot, probes, launcher, and cloak with you anyways if stuff goes crazy bad. My fits just don't like to hold whats in their inventory when I export them...

Now it is recommended that all ships carry with them a grappler/scramber for dealing with the drifter escalation(if the fleet is doing it), and an extra plate to deal with high dps waves(in the 2500+ dps waves we usually slap extra plates on going in just to be safe until the dps is more under control and we aren't getting alphaed for ridiculous amounts).

The domis and geddons should ONLY be run w/ at least 3+ Nestors as that is the minimum needed to maintain comfortable stability doing sites(4+ Nestors if you do drifter escalation). They are meant more as ways for alphas and lower SP players to contribute and participate in the fleets as Open House was built around being open to anyone in Uni regardless of skills or titles.
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Post 2018.06.17 05:02

Re: Daytripping 103 June 18th

Shintu Felper wrote:I think you might be looking at the wrong domi fit

See Derby Dank's post above 2018.06.14 02:44

Shintu Felper wrote:All the ships including the nestor are highly unstable; best skills you can stable 2 reps with a third pulsing; those extra reps there are for eating high dps early part of waves and not meant to be perma run. In addition if you are being neuted, you are being primaried so you will have no outgoing reps going and the 46-50% reduction in the neuts from batteries depending on fits cap chain should be stable

I do not have much experience running C5 in a group but I am afraid that sleepers can neut one ship, but primary another: their' AI is quite smart and ... you never know. Though I agree thing should be manageable, at least, quite often (though not always, as some sleepers do scram) you can align out and warp away.

Shintu Felper wrote:... This is part of why we went to a fully passive tank on the ships.

I see 3 posts in this topic, including the one in the OP that use armor hardeners... I'd recommend fixing that.

Navigation is done by slowboating except when we have to heavily reposition in which case the Nestor's MJD, the geddon/domi are meant for alphas which cannot fit MJD at all. In these situations the alpha toon warps to a nearby celestial, nestors MJD, then the alpha warps back in. Any other prop is pointless as they can keep up with the slowboating Nestors.
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The domis and geddons should ONLY be run w/ at least 3+ Nestors as that is the minimum needed to maintain comfortable stability doing sites(4+ Nestors if you do drifter escalation). They are meant more as ways for alphas and lower SP players to contribute and participate in the fleets as Open House was built around being open to anyone in Uni regardless of skills or titles.[/quote]
I just now realized: did you really mean you run c5 with alpha clones? Including Drifters? That's impressive.
Small hint (which I guess is obvious): whoever does not have MJD should create BM landing on a site. With some experience, it is trivial to create BM 400-600km from the site and bounce to it is much simpler than bouncing to celestial.

Anyway, I've moved in a Domi and will join your public daytripping :) Not sure if I will be a frequent guest and as I have a Domi will use it for now, will may upgrade to a RS later. See you in fleet!
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My FC career: https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/User:Budda_Sereda
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Post 2018.06.18 07:30

Re: Daytripping 103 June 18th

Shintu Felper, Derby Dank , Ariel Beltrafulano , Vladimir Antonovich, xivik skord , Budda Sereda
and myself attended this event and generated 1.2 billion isk from two sites. I would like to point out this fleet contained 2 alpha players :)
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Post 2018.06.18 10:29

Re: Daytripping 103 June 18th [Completed]

Great job on completing an alpha inclusive PvE fleet
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