[WHC] WHSOC – best PVE eva! -2019-08-11

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[WHC] WHSOC – best PVE eva! -2019-08-11

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I always start these by saying I’m know for the ramble and will do my best to be concise,
it never works out
so dramatization story first for coco campus recruitment hype first
and will do a TLDR constructive AAR of main fight in second post
Also there is video for those too lazy to read :D

------------------ PROLOG – nice quiet isk making evening-------------

Nice busy standing fleet on a weekend late EU / early US, we have been blessed on a new roll of our C3 static with a DST running logistics to stalk for. Scouts get his route and we start to set up stop bubble to catch him.

Bob is overly pleased with us this week by not only providing prey but by providing a time death of our wabbit’s k-space hole while he is docked and loading up making it so much easier when he doesn’t realise the despawn and warps to a dead hole where we are already waiting.

There is nothing for him to even do at this point as unfortunately has no corp mates on line to try a rescue – some times bob is not on your side, but I hope he will reward your sacrifice and bring you content in your favour next time
that should pay for some SRP later + 5.1 Bil

Not much other fruit down the chain after some time and we are looking to roll again.
10 green sites in the C3 so quick(ish) harvester forms to mop those up before we roll while some of the deeper scanners come back down the chain.

As the PVE fleet finally gets moving and arrives in the C3 a new sig has spawned, quick scan reveals it’s a WH connection, a C4, and Ana’nder jumps in for a look around, there are active pilots in space in drake navy’s and T3Cs spotted, we have seen a covops in innu with same naming convention and assume they are on move to intercept our bearing fleet.
There is a minor confusion in communication and someone who will remain nameless’s alt may have bubbled the retreat path of the PVE fleet trying to block and catch enemy scoot but we get away with it and they get safely home.

Time for a switch up to PVP….. gogogoggo

------------------------------------------ Chapter 1 – industrial powerhouse-----------------------------

We know the C4 residents are [WHSOC] and reports of a random assortment of ships in space, but doesn’t look like they were actually coming for the harvest fleet or saw us leave and docked up as was too late.

Ana reports there is an Impel on their side of the new hole….. just sitting zero….
I’m still coming back down the chain on my main and there is some talk of what to form and what they had and this and that and not much pick up on the poor industrial sat there waiting to get highway robbed :shock:

If its bait it’s not great bait since they (probably) know we have eyes in their system and seem all the ships undocking on d- but not bait cannot go unclaimed, especially if its possibly full of more BPO’s by accident.

I call for frigates, we can gank the indy and run away if big stuff comes, but just as we undock the impel pilot wakes up and realizes he’s sat in space uncloaked and jumps out, I’m there to see his route and he heads out through another C2 off our C3 which has a HS near amarr so he must be taking stuff to market.
Damn, will never know what treasures he held,

moral = next time act first die asking questions later.

Anyway set up camp to catch him coming back C2>C3 with our same frigs on standby, its only few kspace gates to amarr he won’t be long < - - Remember this, important later

---------------chapter 2 – you’re going the wrong way! --------------------

Our brave scoot reports a Drake navy/Basi combo fleet landing on the connect with slepnier and loki no doubt some nice onk webs and a sniper to support.

Too much for us to take and waiting on full intel and numbers they jump into our C3, catch them moving on short d as I’m getting over too look but they don’t go to INNU and intead head to the losec?

There was a ratting archon in their earlier, I assume they have managed to get it tackled and going to go at it. I suggest in that case we go third party because what can go wrong???

am thinking if stay in frigs or go nano shield so we can stay at range, be dirty sniper campers and run if looks hairy when a straggler makes a misclick and warps his DNI to the other C2 he will be without support and cold and lonely for a minute while their BC fleet would have to realign and warp to rescue!

I head to cut him off at the pass while in my usual calm voice scream for the frigs people are still in to high tail to bacon and to me.
Grab the drake navy he jumps but is gonna be too slow to align for an escape and get him on the other side too, he heads back, as only route, but now polarized and with a bubble up, firg blob menace sees him go down,
+ 1 for the little opportunists that believe +217 mil

Nice scramble to get there guys

As it turns out his buddies didn’t hear his cries and jump to losec anyway,

Now since we are already in frigates I don’t have to decide what to use for 3rd parting :D

Get one scoot to check the losec hole in case they were jumping back to get us, but seems they do have juicier prey on their mind and carry on away.
Scout (Loron gets a scout shout out credit too) reports heavy activity in local but can’t pinpoint so I jump my alt in to help look as he is checking far gates I move our gank onto the losec hole in prep,

Their gang is heading back into us and it looks spicy but we relish taking on the bigger boys as we said.
They jump and we tackle and grab some targets, but just as we do Ana still in their home reports carcals inbound through the back door, knowing they are very likely aware that will know what we had from our catch before will be RLML tackle clearers and likely shread us, we try and hold an get a pick off before the swatters come but don’t break anything lose a deacon in the process then tell everyone to jump to low and scatter and regroup at a station
ok 1 all after round 2 - 55mil

WHSOC head for home, no point chasing trying to tackle frigates in BCs

They again have a straggler and I manage to long point a caracal late for the fleet warp, and call the ball back to the hole in losec, but he manages to jump and warp out before they land.

Quick look at the number in fleet and we have a number for some real fun. Shout in local
we’ll be right back with something bigger.

Everyone best speed home and reship to our light armour comp.
Again great reship speed guys, really was the theme of the weekend, changing up and being ready way ahead of our normal stop watch
We have 4 logi about 10 ANIs and 4 BCs all T1 (ok T1-ish I know ANI’s faction) with still good intel coming from their hole we head back to bacon and over to their hole, we get a proph DC on the jump out of INNU and wait on the C3 side of the hole to WHSOC for them to catch up.

Same DNI with basi’s is called out undocking by scout. They start landing on the hole as our last comers landing also………..




------ Chapter 3 – proper fisticuffs-----


Since I ‘m waiting on people landing, and prefer to be the set up side, tell logi to burn off to range with a couple of escort ANIs and we will let them jump to us, and they oblige immediately

We get ta brawlin, and try and take down a logi as soon as they spawn hoping we can get one before they get chain up.
We get some damage on but he is holding some target switching but they make easy work of catching the larger buffer ships and the T2 resists on the basi’s we can’t burn through
Will go into more fight detail below so not to repeat but needs to say we bleed crusiers, push a couple of their guys back through without a kill before I succumb to fate we are not breaking anything.
Finally decide to do something about tackle and try and save what I can

Nicely done WHSOC you got our logi on the pace with target switching and showed us how its done, was a lot of fun (no matter how sad I sound in the vid :D )

the cost of fun is never too expensive - about 1 bil? Br being not granular enough so final report capture all

------chapter 4 – Treats from new friends ----------

Get survivors back into ALI to lick our wounds apply for SRP and generally we’ll get um next time talk.

Ana still on full scoot duty says she doesn’t want to come home yet, having way too much fun with her new friends, and besides another fight has broken out and she wants to perve observe for learning :P

Its another bigger boy brawl, leshaks HNIs and guardians have come in to have a pop at WHSOC same fleet and its all kickin off again, this time with a class apart.

Again thinking of lets just go smash our faces into a 3 way tango because it’s the only way to feed the frenzy, when sadly the connection is over massed and dies, locking ana in with the baddies and trying to ninja loot shiny wrecks while madness rains around
We all just listening in to the play by play on the radio and I remember my alt still in the lo, look over and he’s been sat decloaked all this time at a poco and nobody wanted to shoot him, poor guy.
Bring him home, but lo and behold when I get in bacon I see a leshak a harbi navy and a single guardian on D, I narrow them down to the fight hole, which I know now to be collapsed, and again very calm and nonchalant as I usually am in these situations politely ask people to get back in to frigates as I go yolo tackle as jump cloak wearing off….
Manage to sacrifice bubble all three and even get a scram off on leshak before screaming off with bits falling off my already long over-lived sabre
Peeps land, tackle is spread, joy is given as we start burning them down and they can’t track the frigate menace again.
FC is sad that your very own campus manager snipes the 2nd biggest kill of the night without even realizing he popped a 2 bill pod without even waiting on rest of us :D

Again, awesome scramble guys to get there to secure all the kills without one escaping
<3 people having doctrine fits ready to rock <3 it’s a nice reward for the guys that send time crafting them for us – thanks Urban and team.

rewards for being speed + 1.2 Bil
rewards for being camous manager + 2 bil
som other stuff in final report

Being the complete hoarders we are, we bring out an MTU and salvager and pick the field clean, admittedly mostly our wrecks but some profit in there too and head off to file the admin and go to bed…..

--------------EPILOUGE – "...dumb luck only happens if you are out there making it happen." -- DonBasuno Ichosira-------------

Totting up the sheet making a few notes before log off, when our glorious leader, now redeemed from earlier court marshal offence of stealing my corpses, gets a random activation on the lo sec where hes scooping left drones,

Dear readers, remember our impel friend from earlier?! well he apparently didn’t get the memo about the closed connection and was making his way home, Conci gets a decloak and tackle, DST doesn’t warp even though he has built in stabs and instead makes a burn back for the hole.
Friggateseseses GOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Swarm decends in time to assist in bumping and getting extra scrams on and the Inevit – inevitaball – inevitable boom happens from then on

destination not found +500 mil

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Final Butcher bill for the evening - ISK POSITIVE !!

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Anecdotal from myself, we’ve either had some really lucky rolls in the last 2 weeks but had lots of action, I think the blackout has increased generally Jspace corp numbers and or activity as hunting null is now more fun, and therefore we get more content in jspace by default.

If you’re interested, apply for campus, entry level is deliberately easy and there is a steady path up to some bigger toys Apply to day and get a free scanner probe!!!
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Re: [WHC] WHSOC – best PVE eva! -2019-08-11

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REAL AAR

as much as i groan at the sound of my own voice, thank you very much for the video
>> click here << - 2019-08-11 EUni vs Wormhole Society


-WHSOC have around 10 drake and drake navy comp with Basilisk logi and single loki and sleip as support ships

-We ship into Light armour - around 10 ANI’s, 2 brutix, 2 proph and 4 aug logis

-We have a minor disconnect issue jumping to the fight which only slows us down very marginally.
I want to fight on C3-C4 connection, C4 is their home hole and want them to jump into us so we can start at brawl range
Both systems have no effects, we also have eyes in their system safe on the C4 side of the hole
Hole is def massed, they have jumped BC fleet twice through, but not shrink

-I want them to jump to us so we have polarization advantage, which does happen and then subsequently forget about that later
Got logi off out of web range with 2 smart bomb escorts as they land on the other side so we are set up, cap chain up and links green when they decloak on grid.

-I want to primary logi to see if can burn one before they can set up, but I over eager in the moment call the first lockable which is a DD, - should have just kept guns uncycled for first basi

-Highlight tackle on the loki don’t want him to be able to pull range and potentially harass our logi

-Finally call a basi primary – as said should have just waited with pre-overheated guns for this

-Initial intel was three basi’s one all locked I never go back to my logi tab, intel was relayed that 4th basi incoming but I missed it. Because of both these mistakes I miss him on field and we are only neuting and ecming 2 of the 4 so making it a lot more comfortable for them the ewaring all 3 while primarying 4th

-We are bleeding ANI’s at a slow but steady rate, but I want to stay and try and trade.

-We don’t look close to breaking loki or DNI so I switch to T1 drake thinking will have lower resists – some debate on field on this – I don’t know for sure, need to pyfa later just for next time

-I don’t manage logi smart bombs very well and next time that gets delegated to logi fc to call their own

-2nd comp mistake, had time to check out the DNI we killed earlier to see exact fits and didn’t
also I assumed DNI was raw damage bonus, as pointed out after the fight they have double application bonus, so why our ANIs didn’t hold as well as usual

-We lose 4or 5 ANIs and have no look of breaking anything of them, especially with reduced dps. Call for align out rather than jumping through as know they will pick off at least probably 2 logi if they burn to us. Should have called logi and escorts to warp to celestial while we jumped and used polarization to try main fleet escape.

-With what they had left they should have been able to split in half and chase us while remaining on both sides but this wasn’t a consideration at the time just an after fact making my self feel better we may lose more that way anyway :D

-Final overview mistake, I didn’t have HICs on my tackle tab so was looking for a cloaked sabre that wasn’t there. First fix is that is added and updated.
2nd fix – if it was indeed DIC bubble all remaining ANIs to smart bomb and might pop it.

-As it was finally realized single broadsword and primary to force bubble drop while aligning and fleet warp as soon as down,
still some targeted tackle obviously but too late for the BCs too slow, think did manage to neut off at least one tackle from a buddy at the end ( or they might have just got out of scram range, but I was trying, whether that was the factor or not)

All in all was still a fun brawl even though no kills our side

+ves
-Really Quick form up, we had been ganking in frigates and people were reshipped and ready before I made the 2 jumps home
-Had enough logi immediately ( one second reship to make it up – I can’t remember which of the 4 it was but thanks)
-Positioning and set up was as I planned and wanted
-Intel from picket/scout before during and after was good, I missed some just keep it coming if you feel its important and get an acknowledge from me – I’ll let you know if don’t need updates on a particular thing – and I’ll try not to shout you off (or I’ll apologies after :D )
-Kept comms going, combat comms were good from fleet, got confirmed priority tackle feed back etc
-happy with my broadcasting, happy with target selection with what I knew at the time


-ves
-Need to recycle through my overview tabs to keep eye on developing field when its deep
– I had time just didn’t (although lack of HIC don’t know how that has been so long like so double deep wouldn’ty have helped this fight, but at least fixed now)
-Didn’t use the time I had to check fit when had fresh intel – again prob wouldn’t change any decisions in this particular fight but good habit to get in, check resist holes etc

-People died in jump range of the hole, I didn’t give a standing order to jump if going down – but rule is, if you are going to die anyway ( and logi has said we are bleeding people already) then always jump and announce, will give feedback to hold cloak/ remain or return go to safe etc. always better to have another shot then die, you might die the other side anyway in which case no loss, you might come back and you get ignored for damage and get a chance to get fully repped again while still giving DPS – wouldn’t have changed this fight, we were not breaking anything in final comp with out some good RNG from the drones but just consider it as standing order from now on unless other wise called

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Final thoughts,
Plenty GFs in local after and I had some convo with WHSOC after, I’ve given them link to here, they love what uni does and hopefully have some feedback for us to come in this post
Thanks for the fight either way, we will be looking out for you again next time

As brought up afterfight LA doctrine is brutix core with other support.
We love ANIs as generally low SP entry, can double up in HA if nothing else, are amarr so keeps on line with 75% of our pew ships.
But please keep training up to BCs, we are getting more of these fights and extra buffer plus much more dps could have got us some kills in this one.
Meta blasters and faction ammo are almost just as good as T2 in nearly all cases if you don’t have T2 yet so swap them accordingly.
T1 links again are very close to T2 and if that’s your only barrier just come without links if you can do everything else, just let FC know that’s the case ( also basic link training is tiny skill just get it to 3 or 4 with all these free killing spree if you have anything else  )

Won’t deny anyone a seat in an ANI if that’s all they have but keep training and we will all benefit.
We are getting some good numbers on the weekend and we can keep taking bigger fights if we have some punching power,
and if your new in and haven’t got mucho iskies yet just sell your ANI on to the next new campus joiner, anyway after insurance and SRP all LA is pretty much free, its there for a reason please SRP if you need it
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