[AAR] Feroxen Defend E-UNI Astrahus

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[AAR] Feroxen Defend E-UNI Astrahus

Soundtrack: The Chicken - Jaco Pastorius

Ferox, from the Latin: Strong, Courageous, Wild.

Before I get into the AAR itself, I would like to share the message I wrote on the eve of this battle, in preparation for an announcement regarding our new Campus Structure in Akidagi:

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Good Day to our Students and Staff.My name is Glen Burney, graduate of Eve University, and Manager of the Low Sec Campus (LSC). Our campus Mission Statement reads as follows:“Provide an educational location where newcomers to Low Security Space can learn the skills needed to not only succeed, but thrive under constant threat.”When I first joined Eve University, I went straight to the LSC, where I and my co-recruits learned under the tutelage of such greats as Master Pehuen, Master Coaxster, and Master Kelon Darklight. These pilots steeped us in the tactics of Combat in EvE such as spiraling, damage types, and not dying. We learned strategies for capturing wins on the battlefield including straight ganks, vanguards, and the importance of force commitment. We learned how to form an effective fleet of pilots, and the importance of discipline to success.As in life, in EvE, however, and things change. The areas around Uphallant, once rich with piracy and learning opportunities, have grown quiet. Many great foes have moved on. I remember when Brave set up in Aunsou, and we had great fun camping the Alperaute gate for the little Bravelings. I remember when Ostingele was hot with activity and when Agoze was a center of piracy to rival even Nennamaila. Those days have passed, and as a Campus, we yearn for fields of Rifters and Atrons, blingy Cruisers and Faction Battleships. We want more action!Over the past few months, LSC Officers, in coordination with University Leadership, has been working on a plan to expand the Low Sec Campus beyond the quiet waters of Uphallant towards the War Zone in Black Rise. The plan was kicked off by the amazing success of the Kamelalot Vacation in February of this year.All of the planning towards this expansion has culminated in the launch of a new Astrahus in the Gallente-Caldari Warzone this evening at 1900 hours. The new “Eve University Low Sec Campus Center for Advanced Combat Studies” (E-UNI LSC CACS) is now building in Akidagi. Tomorrow at approximately 1930, the anchoring will be complete, and a final 15 minute vulnerability window will tick by before the new University Center is fully secure.

Now that you have the setup, here's how it went down:

The steadfast Ersin Oghuz stepped up to plan and execute a Ferox Fleet to defend this critical timer for our new Structure. The FCC Ferox Doctrine was chosen, with T1 Cruiser Logi. Along with several E-UNI directors, we staged Citadel fitting and ammunition, and carefully planned each step. There was necessary operational security to minimize the risk of an enemy dropping on us. The idea was that with only 24 hours notice after the initial anchoring on Friday, an opponent would have little time to stage. More on this later.

The fleet formed well. The original 1800 fleet start was moved back by 30 minutes because the Friday launch was delayed due to capitals in the system. The decision to announce the fleet out of Amygnon, and then travel to Ichoriya was made to help mask the intention of the fleet. That plan worked smoothly. We had staged 25 T2 and 12 T1 Feroxes, which was a bit light on the T1 side. The fittings were also a bit slim on ammo (suggest we tweak the FCC Ferox fleet to double the amount of ammo in each fit).

Undock was smooth, and we got on grid with the Citadel in Akidagi. The 15 minute timer started, and passed 10 minutes, then 6 minutes with no activity. We stayed alert on grid as a few cloaky frigates came and went. With approximately 4 minutes on the timer, a cyno went up on a the freeport Fortizar, and we steeled ourselves. A Gallente Militia armor fleet of T1 Battlecruisers, Heavy Assault Cruisers, and T2 Logi warped in from the Cyno and immediately paused the timer (3minutes, 9 seconds) on our Astrahus by attacking it. We positioned our fleet within about 50km and started laying into targets.

Now just really briefly, a bit onFaction Warfare (FW). Akidagi is kind of the center of action for the Caldari Militia (CalMil), who of late have been the their heels against the advances of the Gallente forces (GalMil). It has gotten so bad that Akidagi itself is under seige by GalMil, and indeed the iHub has been vulnerable on-and-off for about a week. We did decide to proceed with the plan, however, the thought was that both militias would be more concerned with the FW system objective, and would not be concerned with a neutral citadel being anchored.

So now, back to the fight. GalMil warped in from a Cyno with some subcap ships. Pretty quickly thereafter, additional cynos went up on grid, bringing in Capital Ship Logistics ships and a few Dreadnoughts. These Capital Ships represented a capability beyond what Eve University is able to field, and immediately represented an existential risk to our freshly planted Astrahus. The objective was still possible to achieve, however, since we did have approximately 35 Feroxes on-grid. If we could distract their force for the 3 minutes remaining on the 15-minute timer, our Astrahus would anchor and the objective would be achieved.

Our Ferox Fleet was anchored on Glen Burney, as we made several passes of their fleet at medium range (~45km). We broke a few ships, but many of the others caught reps as we worked them into low armor. We then worked on trying to get into close range in order to apply more DPS, but we were losing feroxes alot more quickly than I thought. At some point near the end, on about our 3rd pass, I did notice that the timer was paused at 56 seconds. But by that point, I think there were 3 dreads and 2 FAXes on grid. On our 4th pass of their fleet in close range, GalMil carriers started appearing on grid, and they deployed fighters against us. Very quickly I recognized that as an existential threat to our entire fleet, we could not jam all of those fighters with our griffin wing, and I did call one fighter group as primary, but damage was not being applied quickly. I floated the idea that we should extract, and my trustworthy 2IC (Decklin, more about this champ later) concurred. I fleet-warped us out to the ping we were aligned to; we lost one to light tackle on warp-out.

As we waited at the ping, there was a bit of intel about a potential 3rd party coming to help us, but it was too late at that point. The Astrahus was at about 10% structure, and Galmil focused all their DPS on it. About 3 minutes later it exploded, still paused at 56 seconds until repairs could be completed.

Christoph Patrouette recorded the fight, many thanks sir, o7:

The results:

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Alexander Oromov - FeroxAlf Saissore - FeroxArdes Atavuli - FeroxArtor Beash - FeroxAthena Firefly - FeroxAtomsk Agittain - FeroxB'aldrick Aivoras - FeroxBora Vyvorant - FeroxChristoph Patrouette - FeroxClotho Focuslight - GriffinCoaxster - RaptorCuentin TorinoDecklin Quark Reiger - FeroxDerby DankDonBasuno Ichosira - FeroxGlen Burney - FeroxGyrgon - FeroxHirmuolio PineIskarr Jarak - FeroxKaein SoturusKirsi Isrik - FeroxKirsid Tannaway - FeroxKnaero - FeroxLaser SkaronLittle Viking - GriffinLucius Septimus Severus - FeroxMarn VermuldirMemery Rowkay - Ferox, ThrasherMetti ar VirksenMicah McCain - GriffinMike KingswellMonarch Guardian II - FeroxMongo the Mechanic - FeroxMuzzy Chuck - FeroxNathan Tamroc - FeroxNeemo Beer - FeroxNelliver CadigalPest Hibra - FeroxPhilbro Kishunuba - FeroxRikali Laru - FeroxRohan Amadeus - GriffinTal Tracyn - FeroxTiberius Auduin - GriffinTori MolikoUnion PivoVladimir AntonovichVors Voorhorian - FeroxXafen Katapi - FeroxZeon Alabelashahara - Feroxzusake Stetille - Osprey

Kills and Losses

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(19:24:05) AkidagiFederation Navy Comet +32.24m(19:46:15) AkidagiGriffin -0.8mProphecy +83.45mHarbinger +122.24mFerox -69.38mGriffin -1.23mGriffin -1.73mGriffin -1.23mFerox -69.26mHarbinger +129.01mCapsule -0.01mHoarder +2.65mGriffin -1.23mGriffin -1.23mGriffin -1.23mZealot +362.73mFerox -79.85mZealot +354.1mHarbinger +127.28mFerox -78.78mGriffin -1.23mHarbinger +123.27mGriffin -1.23mGriffin -1.23mFerox -77.57mFerox -68.74mGriffin -1.24mThrasher -14.04mHoarder +2.49mGriffin -1.23mRaptor -64.2mFerox -68.95mOsprey -8.81mGriffin -1.23mFerox -69.94mFerox -68.7mCapsule -0.01mFerox -67.96mFerox -68.36mFerox -78.31mFerox -75.61mGriffin -1.23mGriffin -1.23mGriffin -1.23m

Stats
ISK Destroyed: 1,339,453,939.44
ISK Lost: 1,048,258,875.79
ISK Delta: 291,195,063.65
Efficiency: 56.098%

Battle Report

What Went Well
1) We all got some tremendous experience. Personally this was only the 2nd time I've FC'ed anything bigger than destroyers, and I was very much looking forward to it. I want to thank whoever it was that was broadcasting targets as I called them, and I want to thank Decklin for smoothly taking the reins as Glen had to warp out in low shield.

2) More thanks: Tiberius for running the EWAR wing and help with planning, and Laser for running the Logibros. The fleet setup worked really well, and comms were clean. Bora and Kaein for help with planning the deployment. All the LSC Officers for their input in the planning, and finally to Ersin for setting up the fleet and help with planning. And finally, thanks to all the pilots for coming down and getting into a Ferox! Please remember to apply for SRP, the LSC Wallet is ready for your request.

What could go better
1) On the target calling side: Even during the fight, Decklin was suggesting we do a thing where we lock 6 targets (which is the max their logi can lock?) and then after spam-shooting those for a bit, we all lock a 7th target (a logi) and overheat-shoot at that target to break it. I will absolutely use that strategy in the future.

2) We should have switched earlier to antimatter and gotten in closer.

3) I think I could have done more timed volleys. Rails cycle quickly enough, but I did notice that we would be shooting at "A" and I would say, "Lock Up 'B'", but then when I would switch targets and people would already be shooting at B. That was tipping off their Logi about our next target, and giving them a chance to lock it. A bit more discipline from our pilots might help there, and I can maybe find a way to make that more clear as well.

4) This is lowsec, and we can really dictate range. Why not use blaster brutix? Maybe Myrms? There was really nothing stopping us from being right in their faces...

5) I did not have a good handle on how many ships we were losing. I heard early on that Logi was holding just fine, and that we had only lost 4-5 feroxes. But the final count was 14 Feroxes lost. I'm considering asking someone to keep track of our losses, maybe by watching wrecks on-grid? I probably would have extracted earlier if I had known we lost 10 DD ships.

Please please remember to request SRP for your BattleCruiser losses. If you still have Ferox leftover, keep them in Akidagi, I will do more Ferox fleets! Thanks to all for coming out!

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Re: [AAR] Feroxen Defend E-UNI Astrahus

I also want to briefly touch on the overall strategy here, and the primary reason we dropped a Citadel in Akidagi:

Content.

LSC Officers are continuing to work on finding a way to have a forward operating base in Black Rise, where our pilots can have the resources they need to practice PVP in a target-rich environment. Although I believe our OP on Saturday was successful in creating content and learning for all pilots, we are continuing to plan for such a FOB, whether it be staged from an NPC Station, a Freeport Citadel, or our own Anchored Structure.

I have created a thread in the LSC sub-forum to discuss the LSC Plans for a Black Rise FOB.

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At the beginnin before most of the capital ships landed on us the repairs were holding well. But there was quite long span of time during which nobody broadcasted for reps and we lost few feroxes.

Twice I was able to find the one taking damage by looking at laser effects but lone osprey was nowhere enough to save anything. Even late broadcasts after taking heavy damage would have saved them all.

It wasn't until after more capitals landed on grid (and we got closer I guess) that we started losing ships that broadcasted. Until that point practically everyone who broadcasted survived.

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^ what Hirmuolio said.

This was my biggest fleetbattle so far and I had a TON of fun!
Thanks for everyone organising it! Taxi-Fleet, ship contracts, fleetstructure, comms ...everything wentjust great!

Sign me up for the next time!

P.S.: Digging the soundtrack! Every topic should get one!
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Re: [AAR] Feroxen Defend E-UNI Astrahus

It was me who suggested the target lock, weapon cycle timing, and early use of antimatter.

Feroxes lock 8 targets, guardians also lock 8 targets (considering that they have already locked their 2 cap buddies, so in total guardians lock 10).

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I locked up as many Firbolgs as i could (Only 2 as i did not know which targets i was supposed to drop, so i didnt. Was a problem in the beginning of the fight as well).
I looked at the video again and at https://youtu.be/qrbiXKQVjZQ?t=24m15s you say you broadcasted a fighter to shoot, but i do not see any symbol on any firbolg nor anything in the broadcast history? So i did not shoot any of them...

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I’ve been looking forward to this AAR. This was the largest fleet I have been on and the organization was great. I appreciate all the work that went into this, and I’m glad it gave me a reason to pick up a travel Atron, which I’ve been zooming around in since. Everything was very smooth from the beginning of the fleet through the end.

Hirmuolio, I had not thought to check for ships taking damage visually. That is a good tip; with such a large fleet there was only so much good the watch list could do in terms of keeping an eye on the Ferox fleet.

Of course, in my mind I can hear Mike saying, “Let them learn the hard way to broadcast for reps.”

I hope to see you again next time. Thanks very much.

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Tori Moliko wrote:Of course, in my mind I can hear Mike saying, “Let them learn the hard way to broadcast for reps.”

What? I never said that? Did I say that? That doesn't sound like me at all! How would I even say that? What do you mean Logi-Whispers? No way I said that!
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The only thing I might suggest that we could have done is have 2 command destroyers spear fishing the logi off or some of their DD ships. I only thought of that later in the day so not much help during the fight.

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Mongo the Mechanic wrote:The only thing I might suggest that we could have done is have 2 command destroyers spear fishing the logi off or some of their DD ships. I only thought of that later in the day so not much help during the fight.

I would have loved to try to spear fish some logi, or even some dd to get them away from the FAX. Just wasn’t possible as the sole command destroyer on the field sadly.

Only thing I would have changed for myself in that fleet was I should have flown another ship after it became apparent no one was flying a command dessie. Perhaps Vulture/Sleipnir so I could have boosted the entire fleet more easily and contributed more to DPS, otherwise swapped to ferox/osprey.

Overall I think we held well and made them have to continuously escalate until there were 3 dreads, 5 carriers, and a fax on the grid before we disengaged. Was quite a fun fight.

As for losses, I think a lot of early ferox losses were from late or no broadcasts. We didn’t really start bleeding numbers until the HAW dreads came in, and subsequently the carriers.
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What? I never said that? Did I say that? That doesn't sound like me at all! How would I even say that? What do you mean Logi-Whispers? No way I said that!

To be perfectly clear and not disparage a devoted and experienced logibro mentor: You did not say that. I could just hear it in my imagination in hindsight.

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As another Logi pilot chiming in, I think the fleet performed quite well. There were definitely losses without broadcasts. We managed to catch most people who broadcasted until the capitals dropped in at which point there wasn't much we could do. Glen's suggestion regarding someone counting deaths is a good one - the FC needs to know how many people actually died.

Thank you to the FCs and a special mention to Lazer Skaron who did a great job as Logi Commander. I look forward to flying with you all again in the future!

Hypothetical question:
If we had 10 additional pilots, would the fleet benefit more from 10 Feroxes or 10 Stealth Bombers?

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Vladimir Antonovich wrote:If we had 10 additional pilots, would the fleet benefit more from 10 Feroxes or 10 Stealth Bombers?

I would prefer 10 additional feroxes. At 300dps per ferox thats an additional 3k dps, and all from ships that can be protected with logi. Stealth bombers die from a squirt gun. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the maneuverability and great damage application from SB... But whenever I think about using two pronged approaches, I feel like some of the advantages are lost to inefficiencies created by splitting the effort.

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A few bombers with focused void bombs might have helped with the fax, but they are very squishy against long range dps.
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If Akidagi system security changed from 0.4 to -0.4, we would bomb everything. Let me bomb the gate.
However, Akidagi is 0.4 lowsec, and the bomb launchers would not activate.
Bomb launchers can be activated in Wormspace, Nullspace, and Jspace. If it's in empire space (highsec, lowsec), it's a no bombs land.
Torpedoes forever, but no bombs.
Dash it all.
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