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Post by Zoltan Irvam »

Hi,

since the Wiki fits for the Occator are not capable to use the Cloak & MWD trick, here's my take on one...
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[Occator, Coak & MWD]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
This should warp off after one MWD cycle while cloaked with good skills. If it doesn't - feel free to swap a warp core stab for an extra i-stab.
It only has 50k EHP - not much by DST measures but remember it's main tank is the difficulty to be caught... and 50k will be more than enough for occasional smartbombers in low or a few ganknados taking potshots at Jita 4-4 undock...

As can be seen, there's a free high slot, which might take a Core Probe Launcher if you use it in a WH and a free mid slot to fill as you like... an ECM burst to GTFO in nullsec emergencies or an MJD for getting through a bubbled outgate come to mind...

PS: It should be mentioned that an alt of mine has been flying this fit (with an extra i-stab due to so-so skills as mentioned above) on a regular basis across hisec and some low with high value cargo for about half a year without incident.

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Re: Occator

Post by Biwako Acami »

Fits we currently have up:
  1. Active Hardeners
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    [Occator, active hardeners]
    
    EM Ward Field II
    Medium Shield Extender II
    50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
    
    Armor Explosive Hardener II
    Armor Explosive Hardener II
    800mm Steel Plates II
    Armor Thermal Hardener II
    Damage Control II
    Armor EM Hardener II
    
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
  2. Buffer AB MJD
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    [Occator, Occator - Buffer + AB/MJD (HS)]
    Prototype Cloaking Device I
    Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
    
    10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
    Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
    Medium Micro Jump Drive
    
    Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
    Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
    Corpus X-Type Armor EM Hardener
    Corpus X-Type Armor Thermal Hardener
    Damage Control II
    800mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
    
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    
    
    
    Navy Cap Booster 400 x1
    Core Scanner Probe I x1
  3. Highsec Transport
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    [Occator, Hisec Ship Transport]
    Improved Cloaking Device II
    
    10MN Afterburner II
    Prototype ECCM Magnetometric Sensor Cluster
    Prototype ECCM Magnetometric Sensor Cluster
    
    800mm Steel Plates II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Damage Control II
    Armor Explosive Hardener II
    Armor Thermal Hardener II
    Armor EM Hardener II
    
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
  4. Active Tank
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    [Occator, Active Tank]
    Improved Cloaking Device II
    
    10MN Afterburner II
    Prototype ECCM Magnetometric Sensor Cluster
    Cap Recharger II
    
    Medium Armor Repairer II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Damage Control II
    Armor Explosive Hardener II
    Armor Thermal Hardener II
    Armor EM Hardener II
    
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
    
    
Let the discussions commence! Fittings Staff are currently typing up other open threads but we'll try to catch up to the discussion when possible.
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Remember there are tricks to reduce the align time for the MWD-cloak trick to work even on less agile ships, like using a relatively cheap faction cloak like the Caldari Navy Cloaking Device, which has a lower speed penalty allowing you to reach higher speeds during your cycle.

You can also use a more expensive faction MWD like the Shadow Serpentis 50MN Microwarpdrive, which has a higher bonus and also allows you to reach higher speeds during your cycle.
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Re: Occator

Post by Kiuna McGullygosh »

Hello,

have just acquired 2 Occators with Zoltan's fit for my hauler alt.

Greetings,
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Re: Occator

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Burst jammers were mentioned. But remember that after the ECM changes they are now useless for self defence.

Deadspace hardeners (and other shiny modules) are most likely worth using in high sec if you are hauling expensive cargo. If they save your 1 bil cargo even once you will be happy that you have them.
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Hirmuolio Pine wrote:Burst jammers were mentioned. But remember that after the ECM changes they are now useless for self defence.
AFAIK the burst jammer is not affected by the changes. EDIT: Or lock breakers, for what its worth...
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Re: Occator

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After a quick test you are right.

The burst jammer still breaks target locks against yourself (unlike targeted ECM).
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Re: Occator

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I think zoltan 50k ehp build is going to gain a lot of intrest from CODE when he undocks from jita.
You don't have much more EHP than a T1 hauler.

I have this in my pyfa
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[Occator, Occator fit]

Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Armor Thermal Hardener
Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Imperial Navy Armor Explosive Hardener
800mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium Shield Extender II
Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II

Improved Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Overheats to 219k EHP against Void/anti matter which is the most common dmg type V gankers.
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Re: Occator

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This is repping 7671.4 EHP a sec with boosters(Exile) and implants (Asklepians)
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[Occator, Occator Active reps]

Damage Control II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermal Hardener II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste

Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

Improved Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
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Would a gank last long enough for cap boosters to be relevant? Maybe better to keep it simple and use passive cap modules instead.
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Judging from zkill tornados are used to gank DSTs in highsec. As those work with high alpha, buffer > reps anyways. Most losses in highsec are just terrible fits with Expanded Cargohold which butcher the EHP anyways. I mean, those dont even change the size of the fleet hangar. Dunno what's up with people.

Active reps are for outside of highsec where you want to crash gate or even might get help if it's in your own sov. A properly tanked DST could cold against a small gang and then you can get him out with another char or corp mates help.
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Hirmuolio Pine wrote:Would a gank last long enough for cap boosters to be relevant? Maybe better to keep it simple and use passive cap modules instead.
1: Fitting issues and no cap at all, so that means to even run 2 reppers for a few seconds requires 2 cap boosters.
2: I prefer a buffer for my haulers but people like options for the wiki.
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Re: Occator

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Tal Tracyn wrote:I think zoltan 50k ehp build is going to gain a lot of intrest from CODE when he undocks from jita.
You don't have much more EHP than a T1 hauler.
Hi,

that fit has been to Jita and back a few hundred times -with plenty of shiny stuff in the trunk... I have flown it there once or twice daily for a few months before I joined WHC,
Have been shot at once by a tornado after being bumped on undock and thus was a bit slow to warp to the undock BM - just some dents in the armour and slightly elevated blood pressure on the pilot.

Will have a look at your fit on Sisi but I think it won't be able to properly do cloak & MWD... which I certainly would not want to fly without.

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Re: Occator

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Here are some fits that I had gathered in PyFA:

Occator Triple Prop449k EHP overheated!
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[Occator, Occator Triple Prop]

Corpus X-Type Armor Thermal Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor EM Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor EM Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener

10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium Micro Jump Drive

[Empty High slot]
Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
HighSec Transport
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[Occator, Hauler_Transport_HighSec]

Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Shadow Serpentis Armor EM Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
800mm Crystalline Carbonide Restrained Plates
Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermal Hardener

Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Improved Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II


Core Scanner Probe I x40
Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8
LowSec Transport
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[Occator, Hauler_Transport_LowSec]

Damage Control II
Inertial Stabilizers II
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
Inertial Stabilizers II
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
Inertial Stabilizers II

10MN Afterburner II
Medium Micro Jump Drive
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

Improved Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II


Core Scanner Probe I x40
Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8
Occator Nullsec
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[Occator, Occator (nullsec)]

Damage Control II
Imperial Navy 400mm Steel Plates
True Sansha Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum B-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

'Ghost' Burst Jammer
Medium Micro Jump Drive
Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery

[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II
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Re: Occator

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Hi,

ok, I have done some Sisi testing... I imported each fit, simulated it, bought the stuff with the buy all button, saved the fit and used Multifit to build it and took it for a little spin...

For comparison, my fit has 51k EHP passive and the following Navigation data:

Align time: 13,2s, Speed 172 m/s normal, 823 m/s with MWD on. This is the version with 2 Istabs and 2 Warpcore Stabs - usually works for cloak & MWD but sometimes I spend an extra tick aligning before warping off - which might mean being tackled and killed.
Align time: 11.7s, Speed 172 m/s normal, 823 m/s with MWD on - this is with three Istabs and only one Warpcore Stab - this is what I fly. Quite smooth with cloak & MWD.

All data are for my hauling char with soso skills... Align times are with MWD off, as it is when you warp away with the cloak and MWD trick.
Tal Tracyn wrote: I have this in my pyfa
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[Occator, Occator fit]

Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Armor Thermal Hardener
Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Imperial Navy Armor Explosive Hardener
800mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium Shield Extender II
Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II

Improved Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Align time 20.3s, Speed 141m/s normal, 648 with MWD, no chance for cloak & MWD - I am at 70 m/s or so after a cycle of MWD while cloaked and I need 94.
151k EHP with heat, 64k EHP with hardeners off - overall better tank than my fit, although not so much better at 64 vs 50k EHP right after Jita dockoff.
Athena Firefly wrote:Here are some fits that I had gathered in PyFA:

Occator Triple Prop449k EHP overheated!
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[Occator, Occator Triple Prop]

Corpus X-Type Armor Thermal Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor EM Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor EM Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener

10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium Micro Jump Drive

[Empty High slot]
Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Align time 19s, Speed 141 m/s normal, 676 m/s with MWD on. Cloak & MWD doesn't work, I am at 70 m/s after one cycle of cloak % MWD and need 94...
412k EHP with heat, 32k EHP with hardeners off - like when you just docked off at Jita and some Tornadoes take pot-shots at you... not my choice - and then there's the shocking price...

Athena Firefly wrote: HighSec Transport
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[Occator, Hauler_Transport_HighSec]

Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Shadow Serpentis Armor EM Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
800mm Crystalline Carbonide Restrained Plates
Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermal Hardener

Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Improved Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II


Core Scanner Probe I x40
Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8
Align time 20s, Speed 172 m/s normal, 792 m/s with MWD on. cloak & MWD doesn't work, but less terrible than the ones before - after 1 cycle of MWD and cloak I am at 90 m/s or so and I need 115...
119k EHP hot, 37k with hardeners off, once again not nice to be be shot at right after dockoff at Jita...
Athena Firefly wrote: LowSec Transport
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[Occator, Hauler_Transport_LowSec]

Damage Control II
Inertial Stabilizers II
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
Inertial Stabilizers II
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
Inertial Stabilizers II

10MN Afterburner II
Medium Micro Jump Drive
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

Improved Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II


Core Scanner Probe I x40
Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8
Align time 11s, Speed 172 m/s normal, 823 m/s with MWD on - flies very smoothly with cloak & MWD as it should - 130 m/s after one cycle of cloak & MWD and 115 is needed.
36k EHP cold, nothing to heat - good luck... This is more or less my fit but without the hull tank and even more agility and speed.
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Occator Nullsec
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[Occator, Occator (nullsec)]

Damage Control II
Imperial Navy 400mm Steel Plates
True Sansha Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum B-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

'Ghost' Burst Jammer
Medium Micro Jump Drive
Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery

[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II
Well, this one is self repping and has neither cloak nor MWD - might have it's uses when you travel in you own Sov Null space and help is not far away in case of trouble... But quite useless for me.

So if s.b. has a fit with an align time around 12s, more than 2/3 of nominal speed w/o propmod after one cycle of cloak & MWD, significantly more EHP hot and not a lot less than 50k without hardeners, I'll gladly take it...

Zoltan
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