[Meta] Summary on T1 Frigate Logistics

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Alexander Oromov

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Post 2018.08.15 18:23

[Meta] Summary on T1 Frigate Logistics

I've been reviewing the T1 Frigate Logistics and this post concludes my findings. I'd also be happy to receive more insights and examples on how to further improve the fittings in regards of the aspects I was focusing at.

What are T1 Frigate Logistics?

T1 Frigate Logistics are amazing little ships that provide some of the most rewarding experiences in fleet combat. They often decide the outcome of fleet combat by remote repairing allied ships and denying - or at least delaying - enemy kills.

T1 Frigate Logistics generally possess adequate speed, but atrocious agility. Despite cap draining remote repairs, cap stability is not an issue, however, the reliance on cap booster and cap charges is, especially in prolonged fights or hostile territory. T1 Frigate Logistics do not possess the endurance of their T2 counterparts and will be instantly destroyed by the overwhelming damage in large fleet fights. They do work fine in small to mid-sized gangs. Without countermeasures T1 Frigate Logistics will always be vulnerable to electronic warfare.

What factors play into T1 Frigate Logistics fitting considerations?

1. Endurance: Allied remote repairs need time to land, having a large enough buffer is essential for survival.
2. Resistance: High resists multiply with incoming remote repairs and synergize with the length of combat. The longer the fight, the more effective HP gain.
3. Resistance Profile: Considerations on resist profiles are beneficial, e.g. thermal is the most used and the heaviest hitting damage type in EVE.
4. Remote Repairs: The more HP/s you get out of your ship, the better, however, often HP/s is trumped by endurance and resistances (exemption: solo logistics)
5. Capacitor: Most fits rely on cap boosters and cap charges. Passive cap recharge fittings often require too sacrificial trade-offs.
6. Speed: Remote repairs require proximity to allied ships. However, often agility turns out to be a bigger issue than velocity.
7. Targeting: Not only does electronic warfare pose a constant threat, but logistics do also benefit from faster lock times.
8. Price: Deadspace fittings are more suitable to T2 Frigate Logistics.

What are the capabilities of the Inquisitor?

The Inquisitor is the optimal choice for mid-sized armor fleets. It strengths are endurance and resistances, but it lacks the ability to counter electronic warfare.

AB Inquisitor
SPOILER WARNING!
[Inquisitor, A-AR ✪ | RAR | ✪ +87.0 HP/s ✈ 885m/s | 6.29s ✚ 8'261 + 2.36 EHP | Combat Logistics - Capacitor Booster - EHP Focus | Anuket]

Damage Control II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Small Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Small Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer

Small Anti-Thermal Pump I
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I


Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x1


Navy Cap Booster 200 x17
Navy Cap Booster 400 x10


MWD Inquisitor
SPOILER WARNING!
[Inquisitor, M-AR ✪ | RAR | ✪ +87.0 HP/s ✈ 2'281m/s | 6.29s ✚ 8'242 + 2.36 EHP | Attack Logistics - Capacitor Booster - EHP Focus | Anuket]

Damage Control II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 200

Small Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Small Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Small Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Anti-Thermal Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x1


Navy Cap Booster 200 x17
Navy Cap Booster 400 x10


MWD Inquisitor - Passive Cap Recharge
SPOILER WARNING!
[Inquisitor, A-AB ✪ | RAR | ✪ +87.0 HP/s ✈ 885m/s | 6.29s ✚ 8'298 + 2.36 EHP | Combat Logistics - Cap Recharger - EHP Focus | Anuket C]

Damage Control II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger

Small Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Small Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Small Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer

Small Remote Repair Augmentor I
Small Remote Repair Augmentor I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x1


What are the capabilities of the Navitas?

The Navitas is not the optimal choice for small-sized or solo armor fleets per se, but the optimal choice for any type of fleet that expects to fight e-war.

AB Navitas
SPOILER WARNING!
[Navitas, A-AR ✪ | RAR | ✪ +87.0 HP/s ✈ 932m/s | 6.01s ✚ 7'117 + 2.63 EHP | Combat Logistics - Capacitor + Sensor Booster - EHP Focus | Galene]

Damage Control II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 200

Small Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Small Coaxial Compact Remote Armor Repairer
Small Coaxial Compact Remote Armor Repairer

Small Anti-Thermal Pump I
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I


Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x1


Targeting Range Script x1
Navy Cap Booster 200 x20
Navy Cap Booster 400 x10
ECCM Script x1


MWD Navitas
SPOILER WARNING!
[Navitas, M-AR ✪ | RAR | ✪ +87.0 HP/s ✈ 2'459m/s | 6.01s ✚ 7'313 + 2.30 EHP | Attack Logistics - Capacitor + Sensor Booster - EHP Focus | Galene]

400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Small Coaxial Compact Remote Armor Repairer
Small Coaxial Compact Remote Armor Repairer

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x1


Targeting Range Script x1
Navy Cap Booster 400 x20
ECCM Script x1


MWD Navitas - Passive Cap Recharge
SPOILER WARNING!
[Navitas, A-AB ✪ | RAR | ✪ +87.0 HP/s ✈ 932m/s | 6.01s ✚ 6'545 + 2.63 EHP | Combat Logistics - Cap Recharger - Passive Cap Recharge + EHP Focus | Galene C]

Damage Control II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script
Cap Recharger II

Small Remote Armor Repairer II
Small Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Small Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer

Small Remote Repair Augmentor I
Small Remote Repair Augmentor I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x1


Targeting Range Script x1
ECCM Script x1


What are the capabilities of the Bantam?

The Bantam is the equivalent of the Inquisitor for shield fleets. It's durable and relatively fast. In exchange of durability, it can be refitted with a sensor booster.

AB Bantam
SPOILER WARNING!
[Bantam, A-SR ✪ | RAR | ✪ +87.4 HP/s ✈ 1'010m/s | 5.68s ✚ 7'633 + 33.0 EHP | Combat Logistics - Capacitor Booster - EHP Focus | Kazuki]

Damage Control II
F-89 Compact Signal Amplifier

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x1


Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster x1
Targeting Range Script x1
Scan Resolution Script x1
Navy Cap Booster 400 x19
ECCM Script x1


MWD Bantam
SPOILER WARNING!
[Bantam, M-SR ✪ | RAR | ✪ +87.4 HP/s ✈ 2'674m/s | 5.68s ✚ 7'633 + 33.0 EHP | Attack Logistics - Capacitor Booster - EHP Focus | Kazuki]

Damage Control II
Mark I Compact Reactor Control Unit

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x1


Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster x1
Targeting Range Script x1
Scan Resolution Script x1
Navy Cap Booster 400 x19
ECCM Script x1


What are the capabilities of the Burst?

The Burst is light on endurance and resistances, but trumps with velocity. Generally, it is only viable with a MWD. The AB iteration fills the niche of a passive cap recharge fitting for shield logistics. The MWD fitting can be refitted with an overdrive or a nanofiber for a significant boost in velocity.

AB Burst - Passive Cap Recharge
SPOILER WARNING!
[Burst, A-SR ✪ | RAR | ✪ +91.9 HP/s ✈ 1'152m/s | 5.18s ✚ 5'623 + 22.3 EHP | Combat Logistics - Capacitor Recharger - EHP Focus | Ran]

Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Medium Shield Extender II
Cap Recharger II

Small Remote Shield Booster II
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small Remote Shield Booster II

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x1


MWD Burst
SPOILER WARNING!
[Burst, M-SR ✪ | RAR | ✪ +98.6 HP/s ✈ 3'077m/s | 5.18s ✚ 5'623 + 22.3 EHP | Attack Logistics - Capacitor Booster - EHP Focus | Ran]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
F-89 Compact Signal Amplifier

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Medium Shield Extender II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Remote Shield Booster II
Small Remote Shield Booster II
Small Remote Shield Booster II

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x1


Type-D Restrained Overdrive Injector x1
Navy Cap Booster 400 x19


Hope this is beneficial to you. Again, please do not hesitate to add new insights and post examples of better or more suitable fleet fittings.

Cheers
Last edited by Alexander Oromov on 2018.08.17 23:30, edited 1 time in total.
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Post 2018.08.15 18:40

Re: [Meta] Summary on T1 Frigate Logistics

Great summary of T1 Logi!

I shall use it in my class!
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Post 2018.08.15 18:43

Re: [Meta] Summary on T1 Frigate Logistics

Thanks Mike, if you have fits available that I've overseen let me know.
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Post 2018.08.15 22:21

Re: [Meta] Summary on T1 Frigate Logistics

My logi is currently rolling with the following. Mainly because my Magic14 are not all at 5 yet and this one is a tad easier to fit. On the downsite it is not 100% as effective as your MWD Inqui fit up there.

Mike Kingswell wrote:Logi Inquisitor (mostly t1 meta - low fitting skills)
SPOILER WARNING!
[Inquisitor, Inquisitor Armor Logi Frig]
Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Damage Control II

Small Capacitor Booster II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

Small Coaxial Compact Remote Armor Repairer
Small Coaxial Compact Remote Armor Repairer
Small Coaxial Compact Remote Armor Repairer

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Ancillary Current Router I



Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x1


Navy Cap Booster 400 x1

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Post 2018.08.16 01:11

Re: [Meta] Summary on T1 Frigate Logistics

Basically you did the right thing by simply downgrading to meta compact modules until you're able to upgrade your fitting skills.
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Post 2018.09.27 03:52

Re: [Meta] Summary on T1 Frigate Logistics

I wanted to address something before looking at the various t1 frigate logistics ship threads which I was hoping a meta thread would cover.

There seems to be quite a few variations of Small Ship Logistics ships. The variations revolve around:
  • Speed
  • Tank
  • Remote EHP/s
  • Capacitor Source (Recharged vs Boosted)

Are there minimum's around these attributes that factor into building fits or doctrines for a small ship or a fleet scenario? Considering that there is only limited variation on the attributes on a resource constrained hull like frigates, how would stat weights look between these factors?
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Post 2018.09.28 01:35

Re: [Meta] Summary on T1 Frigate Logistics

What factors play into T1 Frigate Logistics fitting considerations?

1. Endurance: Allied remote repairs need time to land, having a large enough buffer is essential for survival.
2. Resistance: High resists multiply with incoming remote repairs and synergize with the length of combat. The longer the fight, the more effective HP gain.
3. Resistance Profile: Considerations on resist profiles are beneficial, e.g. thermal is the most used and the heaviest hitting damage type in EVE.
4. Remote Repairs: The more HP/s you get out of your ship, the better, however, often HP/s is trumped by endurance and resistances (exemption: solo logistics)
5. Capacitor: Most fits rely on cap boosters and cap charges. Passive cap recharge fittings often require too sacrificial trade-offs.
6. Speed: Remote repairs require proximity to allied ships. However, often agility turns out to be a bigger issue than velocity.
7. Targeting: Not only does electronic warfare pose a constant threat, but logistics do also benefit from faster lock times.
8. Price: Deadspace fittings are more suitable to T2 Frigate Logistics.


That's where I touched on this topic.

Regarding speed:

there is no special need to focus on speed variation. bantam / inquisitors are used for brawly doctrines and are always faster than destroyers and almost always as fast if not faster than frigates. the burst is for fast shield kite doctrines and you can't make the burst faster than 3.7k/s and that's what i have in the proposed fit above. navitas is useless in almost any case unless there is ewar expected.

Regarding tank:

Well, you try to have as much buffer and resists on top of logi without sacrificing ehp/s, which is pretty much given by the hull pg/cpu.

Regarding ehp/s:

it's not necessarely about how much ehp/s you get on t1 frigate logistics, but more price, cap stability and repair range. on t1 logistics meta reps are totally fine. on t2 variants and cruisers one can argue that its a different story.

Regarding recharched vs boosted:

boosted is prefered, because recharded fits do sacrifice way too much in regards of tank. recharged are only useful if you know you won't get targeted or you know that you will be so far away from home that you won't be able to resupply additional charges. i have the fits IF i need them, but i've never used recharged.

PS: If you are looking for numbers I'd say brawl logi needs 7-8k EHP buffer, kite logi 5k EHP. Remote repairs should be Scoped meta were applicable. boosted fits are always cap stable. and speed, well, you take what you get which usually is sufficient.

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