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Porpoise

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As far as Industrial Command Ships go, I noticed that, while we have several Orca fits in the wiki, there is none for the Porpoise:

https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Porpoise/Fittings

Searching the forums, I could find the following fit by Tordormore for WH diving and various other uses:
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[Porpoise, Multi-Porpoise]
Damage Control II
Inertial Stabilizers II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II

Small Tractor Beam II
Mining Foreman Burst II
Mining Foreman Burst II
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
'Augmented' Ice Harvesting Drone x1
'Augmented' Mining Drone x5

Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge x2701
Mining Laser Optimization Charge x2701
, and here is my own for mining and boosting in high-sec:
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[Porpoise, High-sec]
Damage Control II
Inertial Stabilizers II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Survey Scanner II

Mining Foreman Burst II, Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge
Mining Foreman Burst II, Mining Laser Optimization Charge
Small Tractor Beam II
Auto Targeting System II

Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Mining Drone II x5
Ice Harvesting Drone II x1

Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge x1000
Mining Laser Optimization Charge x1000
In the latter case, the Auto Targeting System II module is used to increase the maximum number of targets from 5 to 8, allowing for a separate asteroid to be targeted per mining drone plus some additional rocks – or cans to be pulled.

I don't know if either would qualify for the wiki, but I guess they could serve as the basis for something not too different to be published, isn't it?

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EDIT: drones and mid-slots updated on the second fit.
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Now for the porp (in my opinion):
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[Porpoise, Loser Porp]

Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Large Shield Extender II
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

Mining Foreman Burst II
Mining Foreman Burst II
Small Tractor Beam II
[Empty High slot]

Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II


Acolyte II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Mining Drone II x5
Ice Harvesting Drone II x1


Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge x1
Mining Laser Optimization Charge x1
^ This fit is for not Wormhole. Tanks like a poor man skiff, and aligns like a cruiser. Compromise between drone yield and tank, needs to get close to rocks in order to dronemine somewhat okayish but the same is said for any dronemining ship unless you want to sacrifice modules (aka tank in this case) for dronespeed/yield. But then main thing is boosts, which with perfect skills + implant is 38% vs 40pointsomething% with an orca. Relevant boosts are ofc speed & range. Remove the tractor for a prototype cloak if you want WH diving.
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JohnPlayerNotSpecial wrote:This fit is for not Wormhole. Tanks like a poor man skiff, and aligns like a cruiser. Compromise between drone yield and tank, [...]
Now that you mention the tank, I realized I had swapped a couple of active mid-slot modules for passive ones in my Porpoise for the sake of laziness, but these should really be an Adaptive Invulnerability Field II and EM Ward Field II same as yours - so I've updated the above post.

Concerning the yield, mine achieves the ideal 1.113m3/min with T2 drones. But regardless of whether one would trade some drone mining rigs for further structure HPs, using Inertial Stabilizers II instead of Reinforced Bulkheads II on the second low-slot means the ship would align in 5s instead of 6.63s. In high-sec I'd be partial towards the former, but I don't know what would be better in other scenarios.
JohnPlayerNotSpecial wrote:Remove the tractor for a prototype cloak if you want WH diving.
According to Pyfa, a Prototype Cloaking Device I would fit in your case without having to remove the tractor beam, so I'd simply add it to your fit. In fact, I used to have one on mine until I felt it wasn't that necessary in high-sec, and being able to target additional 'roids was more convenient.

So, should we perhaps include both your fit (for general purpose / WH) and mine (for mining boosts / yield) in the wiki?
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Re: Porpoise

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A fleet boosting porpoise and a solo mining/multi-box porpoise are going to be fit differently.

Fleet is generally going to prioritize boosts, and utility like a remote repper, tractor beam, drone damage strength. The porpoise's yield isn't as large of a consideration here so shouldn't be a focus for the fit.

A mining/multi-box fit is generally going to fit as much mining drone yield as can be strapped on while still having the defenses to clear whatever rats spawn where it will be used and give a couple boosts to barge alts.

Tank consideration is going to be mostly a function of needing to tank rats that spawn (that you want to kill with the mining fleet and not swap for dps boats) and how much time you want to have to call in help or to dissuade high sec ganks.

I will post some fits I've used in various parts of space for consideration today or tomorrow (leaving for the movies right now).
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high sec porpoise - solo or fleet - mobile depot and refits in cargo
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[Porpoise, X-SB ⁂ Paris | ☭ 18.55m3/s ❄ 15.20m3/s ✈ 125m/s | 6.63s ✚ 70'376 EHP | Industrial Command Ship]

Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Survey Scanner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Small Tractor Beam II
Mining Foreman Burst II
Mining Foreman Burst II
Salvager II

Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I


Mining Drone II x1
Mining Drone II x1
Mining Drone II x1
Mining Drone II x1
Mining Drone II x1
Warrior II x1
Warrior II x1
Warrior II x1
Warrior II x1
Warrior II x1
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x1
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x1
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x1
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x1
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x1
Hornet EC-300 x1
Hornet EC-300 x1
Hornet EC-300 x1
Hornet EC-300 x1
Hornet EC-300 x1
Ice Harvesting Drone II x1


Ship Scanner II x1
Sensor Booster II x1
Cargo Scanner II x1
Burst Jammer II x1
Prototype Cloaking Device I x1
Warp Core Stabilizer II x1
Liquid Ozone x250
Cynosural Field Generator I x1
Nanite Repair Paste x100
Targeting Range Script x1
Scan Resolution Script x1
Mobile Depot x1
50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive x1
ECCM Script x1
Active Shielding Charge x300
Shield Harmonizing Charge x300
Shield Extension Charge x300
Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge x300
Mining Laser Optimization Charge x300
Mining Equipment Preservation Charge x300
Shield Command Burst II x2
low sec porpoise - solo or fleet - mobile depot and refits in cargo
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[Porpoise, X-SB ⁂ Philotas | ☭ 15.45m3/s ❄ 12.20m3/s ✈ 31.3m/s | 5.68s ✚ 55'619 EHP | Industrial Command Ship - Low Security Edition]

Damage Control II
Warp Core Stabilizer II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Survey Scanner II
Burst Jammer II

Small Tractor Beam II
Mining Foreman Burst II
Mining Foreman Burst II
Cynosural Field Generator I

Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Medium Higgs Anchor I


Mining Drone II x1
Mining Drone II x1
Mining Drone II x1
Mining Drone II x1
Mining Drone II x1
Warrior II x1
Warrior II x1
Warrior II x1
Warrior II x1
Warrior II x1
Hornet EC-300 x1
Hornet EC-300 x1
Hornet EC-300 x1
Hornet EC-300 x1
Hornet EC-300 x1
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x1
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x1
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x1
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x1
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x1
Ice Harvesting Drone II x1


Reinforced Bulkheads II x1
Ship Scanner II x1
Sensor Booster II x1
Cargo Scanner II x1
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II x1
Prototype Cloaking Device I x1
Liquid Ozone x250
Nanite Repair Paste x100
Targeting Range Script x1
Scan Resolution Script x1
Salvager II x1
Mobile Depot x1
50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive x1
ECCM Script x1
Active Shielding Charge x300
Shield Harmonizing Charge x300
Shield Extension Charge x300
Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge x300
Mining Laser Optimization Charge x300
Mining Equipment Preservation Charge x300
Shield Command Burst II x2
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Re: Porpoise

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BUMP

Back in Summer, some real-life stuff got in the way of me keeping track of this thread, but I really think we should publish at least a couple of clear, simple fits in the wiki - there isn't a single week we are not asked for tips on how to fit a Porpoise at AMC.

Can we at least agree on this vanilla fit with a focus on boosting:
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[Porpoise, Porpoise (Boosting)]

Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Mining Foreman Burst II, Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge
Mining Foreman Burst II, Mining Laser Optimization Charge
Shield Command Burst II
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Command Processor I
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II


Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Ice Harvesting Drone II x1
Mining Drone II x5


Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge x1000
Mining Laser Optimization Charge x1000
Shield Harmonizing Charge x1000
, and this one for mining?
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[Porpoise, Porpoise (Mining)]

Damage Control II
Inertial Stabilizers II

50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Mining Foreman Burst II
Mining Foreman Burst II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II

Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II


Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Ice Harvesting Drone II x1
Mining Drone II x5


Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge x1000
Mining Laser Optimization Charge x1000
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As suggested by Netan Emerson, the boosting fit above should probably be split into two versions - one with two Mining Foreman Bursts and more tank:
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[Porpoise, Porpoise (Boosting, 2 Bursts)]

Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Mining Foreman Burst II, Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge
Mining Foreman Burst II, Mining Laser Optimization Charge
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II

Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II


Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Ice Harvesting Drone II x1
Mining Drone II x5


Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge x1000
Mining Laser Optimization Charge x1000
Shield Harmonizing Charge x1000
, and the one I already posted, which illustrates how a third burst could be fit with the usage of a Medium Command Processor I:
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[Porpoise, Porpoise (Boosting, 3 Bursts)]

Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Mining Foreman Burst II, Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge
Mining Foreman Burst II, Mining Laser Optimization Charge
Shield Command Burst II
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Command Processor I
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II


Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Ice Harvesting Drone II x1
Mining Drone II x5


Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge x1000
Mining Laser Optimization Charge x1000
Shield Harmonizing Charge x1000
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With the assistance of Dunar Dolorgiet, the above fits for the Porpoise have finally made their way into fleet-up - and have now been propagated to the wiki:

https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Porpoise#Fitting
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Tau Hopper wrote:With the assistance of Dunar Dolorgiet, the above fits for the Porpoise have finally made their way into fleet-up - and have now been propagated to the wiki:

https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Porpoise#Fitting
the naming of the two fits were not correct as well as the charges in cargo:
2 burst fit has 3 bursts and 2 charge types in cargo
3 burst fit has 2 bursts and 3 charge types in cargo
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In the above post, the only oversight were the Shield Harmonizing Charges left in the cargo hold in the two-bursts fit.

It was supposedly addressed when it was brought to fleet-up, but I see the names were swapped and the extra charges removed from the wrong fit :?

I didn't have the necessary access rights to fleet-up at the time, so someone else posted them and made that amendment for me, but I do now. So I've corrected it already - and the wiki should pick the changes within 24 hours.

Thanks for the heads up.
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Since fittings have been removed from the Wiki, what is the current thinking on fitting a Porpoise?
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