The MWD/Cloak Trick is DEAD !

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The MWD/Cloak Trick is DEAD !

Post by Tal Tracyn »

ALL HAIL THE AFTERBURNER/CLOAK TRICK.

So some time ago we got an update to T1 haulers.
The Badger,Nereus,Wreathe,Sigil all got Agility Bonuses and mass reduction.
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So i played around with the Wreathe to find a good basic T1 hauler my trading alts could use.
Imagine my surprise when not only was the wreathe able to do the cloak trick but with an afterburner.

Wreathe Meta
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[Wreathe, Wreathe hauler high sec T1]

Type-D Restrained Expanded Cargo
Type-D Restrained Inertial Stabilizers
Type-D Restrained Inertial Stabilizers
Type-D Restrained Inertial Stabilizers
Type-D Restrained Expanded Cargo

Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Compact Multispectrum Shield Hardener
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

Improved Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
With the following skills it can align in 4.5 seconds and do the cloak trick.
Acceleration control 3
After Burner 4
Navigation 3
Evasive Maneuvering 3
Space ship command 3
Minmatar hauler 3

The only downside is obviously and alpha can't do it as it requires Cloaking 3

Going to T2 the align time is improved to 4.22 s and the margin for error reduced
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[Wreathe, Wreathe hauler high sec]

Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II

Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II

Improved Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
But what about the others ?.
Well in agility/mass/speed they all line up like this.
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So judging by that the nereus can do it also.
and you would be correct.
With the help of my able assistant Ray Zolo we were able to test it with the above skills and it does also work.

Nereus
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[Nereus, Nereus AB/Cloak]

Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

10MN Afterburner II
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
EM Shield Amplifier II
Thermal Shield Amplifier II

Improved Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
4.5s align time seems to be the benchmark.

Now not having amarr hauler i could not test the Sigil but the badger with good skills can also do it.

Badger
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[Badger, Badger AB/Cloak]

Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Expanded Cargohold II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
EM Shield Amplifier II
Thermal Shield Amplifier II

Improved Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Sigil
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[Sigil, Sigil AB/Cloak]

Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Shield Amplifier II

Improved Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Sigil tested and working with the help of Void Delver.
Acceleration control 3
AfterBurner 4
Evasive Maneurvering 4
Navigation 5
Amarr hauler 1
Space ship Command 5

Now obviously when your skills improve the align time will improve.
My Wreathe currently aligns in 3.4s
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So there you go.
I release you from the shackles of an MWD and no tank.
Fly Safe o7
Last edited by Tal Tracyn on 2022.05.01 20:44, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: The MWD/Cloak Trick is DEAD !

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Currently testing with an Epithal and are close.
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Re: The MWD/Cloak Trick is DEAD !

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I have been asking myself why I would do the Cloak trick with an Afterburner if I can do it in a MicroWarpDrive.

As a Newbro, with low skills, I find it hard to fit the MWD on a T1 Hauler because of the impact to PowerGrid. So depending on your skill level the MWD may not be an option until your skill level gets higher.

But even if I could fit an MWD there are additional benefits to the AB option:
-the AB option would allow me to fit a better tank, with higher EHP and Resists.
-also, the AB does not bloom the ship Signature, and thus increases the threshold (lock time) for the Tackling ship to acquire a lock on me in case my timing is off.

Please let me know what you think.
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Re: The MWD/Cloak Trick is DEAD !

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Awesome, and so creative! Thank you for researching and testing for us all :-)
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Re: The MWD/Cloak Trick is DEAD !

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Alas, poor microwarpdrive/cloak trick! I knew it, Tal, a trick of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy. It hath bore me on its back a thousand times, and now how abhorr'd in my imagination it is!

Well, at least for my alt hauler.
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Re: The MWD/Cloak Trick is DEAD !

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Long live the Cloak/AB trick :) Great post...I knicked the Sigil fit!
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Re: The MWD/Cloak Trick is DEAD !

Post by Chen Ken'ichi »

Now this is very interesting. I've played on and off since 2005 and mwd+cloak is one of those things that has been around for so long that it's just one of those things that isn't questioned. I guess it really does help to real the patch notes sometimes.

Awesome find, I am going to have to mess around with this.
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