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Avrin Dennard

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Post 2018.07.23 13:20

Coercer

Hi Everyone,

We're looking for your opinions on the current Coercer fits. Please chip in if you feel you have a better fit than what's listed below.

Cheers,
Avrin.



Mission Basic
SPOILER WARNING!
[Coercer, Mission Basic]

400mm Steel Plates I
Experimental Thermal Plating I
'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Cap Recharger I

Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Dual Light Beam Laser I

[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]


Multifrequency S x8




Salvager
SPOILER WARNING!
[Coercer, Salvager]

Co-Processor I
Capacitor Power Relay I
Capacitor Power Relay I

5MN Microwarpdrive I
Cap Recharger I

Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Salvager I

Small Salvage Tackle I
Small Salvage Tackle I
Small Salvage Tackle I




Solo Brawler
SPOILER WARNING!
[Coercer, Solo Brawler]

400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
J5b Enduring Warp Scrambler

Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II

Small Energy Burst Aerator I
Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
[Empty Rig slot]


Scorch S x8
Conflagration S x8
Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x8




Solo Kiter
SPOILER WARNING!
[Coercer, Solo Kiter]

Damage Control II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Heat Sink II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II

Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II

Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Scorch S x8
Conflagration S x8
Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x8




E-UNI Coercer - Kite
SPOILER WARNING!
[Coercer, E-UNI Coercer - Kite]

Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II

Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II

Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I


Scorch S x8
Conflagration S x8
Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x8
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K950

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Post 2018.07.28 15:43

Re: Coercer

You haven't gotten any responses on this thread so I'll help you feel less alone.

Nearly all of those fits are unsuitable in the current meta and need to be revised. It depends a lot on what you intend to do with the ship and what doctrine (if any) you're using it for. For PvE it's decisively poor -- I know, because I used it as my "Intro to Lasers" boat. The first thing you'll notice is the lock range. The second is the capacitor. The third is the tank.

This is a PvP fit.

  Code:
[Coercer, Coercer - Hull MWD Pulse Blaster]

IFFA Compact Damage Control
Extruded Compact Heat Sink
Extruded Compact Heat Sink

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier

Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

Small Transverse Bulkhead I
Small Transverse Bulkhead I
Small Energy Burst Aerator II


Gleam S x8
Aurora S x8
Imperial Navy Standard S x8
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Biwako Acami

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Post 2018.07.30 10:14

Re: Coercer

Thanks for that K950.

Lets remove older PVP ships. I have no idea about PvE side of things so I'll defer to someone with more knowledge on that.

I like the E-UNI Coercer - Kite as a basic fit. Maybe we can add a meta version for newer players
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[Coercer, E-UNI Coercer - Kite]

Extruded Compact Heat Sink
Extruded Compact Heat Sink
Damage Control I

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Faint Scoped Warp Disruptor

Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I

Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I


Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x8
Imperial Navy Standard S x8
Imperial Navy Microwave S x8


For the advanced fit, I'm a bit torn between K950's and Kelon's fits. If the meta is FW then I would prefer Kelon's just because it is deceptively strong with defending a plex and works without fitting implants.
  Code:
[Coercer, Kelon Darklight's Coercer]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
IFFA Compact Damage Control

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier

Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S

Small Energy Collision Accelerator II
Small Transverse Bulkhead I
Small Transverse Bulkhead I



Edit: Lets set Wiki fits to
  • 0-2 PvE fits (as needed)
  • 1 Basic PVP fit + Meta version (if many modules need to change)
  • Advanced fit
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Post 2018.07.30 18:33

Re: Coercer

Sure thing sir. Let's focus on the PvE element first.

The Vulfpup doctrine DPS Coercer. Backed by Augorors for running shattered wormhole sites. This one has been upgraded to T2 modules: otherwise the doctrine actually is mostly Meta 4 stuff.

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[Coercer, Coercer - Armor MWD Beams Vulfpup DPS T2]

400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Stasis Webifier II

Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


You can also fit one up for salvaging live on grid. If that cloaky Tengu wants to blow up the salvager, he'll have a harder time doing it with 2K dps on field, at least. We used to have the Vulfpup Doctrine page here on the forums but apparently pages past a certain age are deleted. Maybe we need a wiki entry for the doctrine?

This is similar to the Coercer I used to "learn lasers". I do NOT recommend it: it has serious problems with capacitor (but you'll learn cap management), DPS is low unless you're using multifreq, tank is a serious problem if you're not careful, and is decisively poor compared to other options for PvE Destroyers (of which, concern T1 destroyers, only the Algos and Corax are viable IMO). Honestly the best boat for PvE for "Learning Lasers" is a dual rep beam fit Omen Navy Issue: amazing projection and good lowslot config. (It's on the Omen Navy Issue page.)

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[Coercer, Coercer fit]

Small Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Dual Light Beam Laser II, Infrared S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Infrared S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Infrared S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Infrared S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Infrared S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Infrared S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Infrared S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Infrared S

Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I


PvP fits are fairly straightforward, I think. I don't think we need much more than a PvP Fleet doctrine Coercer (which vary based on the specifics of what the doctrine is trying to do, which is usually involves somehow squeezing into a Confessor fleet) and a template "Solo" setup. For solo setup it's quite simple:

1) Pick beams or pulses
2) Pick your choice of EWAR (Scram, web, both, dual web, scram OR web and a prop, depends a lot what you're doing)
3) Pick Hull tank or Armor. If hull, go with a DCU, 2 heat sinks and bulkhead rigs (as seen above); if armor, 400mm plate, some trimarks, DCU and a heat sink.

Faceblasting beam setups used in FW complex games usually have no room for a 400mm plate because SF beams take up a lot of PG.
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Post 2018.08.06 12:49

Re: Coercer

Ok, so unless I'm reading this incorrectly we may have a few contenders. Let me know if this is not what you guys were thinking.

Cheers,
Avrin.


Solo Alpha PvP Kite
SPOILER WARNING!
[Coercer, E-UNI Coercer - Kite]

Extruded Compact Heat Sink
Extruded Compact Heat Sink
Damage Control I

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Faint Scoped Warp Disruptor

Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I

Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I


Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x8
Imperial Navy Standard S x8
Imperial Navy Microwave S x8



Solo Advance PvP Brawler
SPOILER WARNING!
[Coercer, Kelon Darklight's Coercer]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
IFFA Compact Damage Control

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier

Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II,Scorch S

Small Energy Collision Accelerator II
Small Transverse Bulkhead I
Small Transverse Bulkhead I



Armor PvE
SPOILER WARNING!
[Coercer, Coercer - Armor MWD Beams Vulfpup DPS T2]

400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Stasis Webifier II

Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
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Post 2018.08.07 07:24

Re: Coercer

I'm a bit hesitant about the Vulfpup. That is part of a doctrine for C5 WR site running. I would be worried if that gets interpreted as regular PvE fit.

I'm fine with just keeping a mediocre fit for beginner missions. A stepping stone to move onto better ships is fine and we'll leave a note to make it clear.

I'll upload the PvP fits.
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Post 2018.08.07 16:04

Re: Coercer

I'm fine with just keeping a mediocre fit for beginner missions. A stepping stone to move onto better ships is fine and we'll leave a note to make it clear.


I'm greatly interested in such a newbro-friendly fit, as I have no experience with lasers except as a target. I am looking at the Coercer as the PvE ship for my Amarr Starter Pack.
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Post 2018.08.08 04:01

Re: Coercer

Looking at the fits I'm wondering if reinstating the brawler is a good idea; its not terrible, is a different playstyle to kitey and can be accessible with meta guns and 1 skill.

For beginner PvE I'm not sure what it would look like. If we go by Resource Wars rewards and CCP's theme of PvE ships it would probably look like an upgraded Mission Runner.

Here's my attempt at one (with minimal K-space PvE experience so grain of salt)
SPOILER WARNING!
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[Coercer, Coercer fit]

'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I
'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I
Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Small Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery

Dual Anode Light Particle Stream I
Dual Anode Light Particle Stream I
Dual Anode Light Particle Stream I
Dual Anode Light Particle Stream I
Dual Anode Light Particle Stream I
Dual Anode Light Particle Stream I
Dual Anode Light Particle Stream I
Dual Anode Light Particle Stream I

Small Energy Metastasis Adjuster I
Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I


Microwave S x8
Standard S x8
Multifrequency S x8
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Post 2018.08.18 03:14

Re: Coercer

Leaving brawly out but leaving the basic PvE ship in.

Updated fits onto Fleet-up and made changes to Wiki. Moving to Released.
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