Drake Navy Issue

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Athena Firefly

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Post 2018.06.03 23:51

Drake Navy Issue

Currently posted fits:

  • L3 Missions - Passive Meta Heavy Missiles
    SPOILER WARNING!
    [Drake Navy Issue, L3 Missions - Passive Meta Heavy Missiles]

    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    10MN Afterburner II
    Large Shield Extender II
    EM Ward Field II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Thermal Dissipation Field II
    Target Painter II

    'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Inferno Heavy Missile
    'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Inferno Heavy Missile
    'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Inferno Heavy Missile
    'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Inferno Heavy Missile
    'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Inferno Heavy Missile
    'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Inferno Heavy Missile
    'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Inferno Heavy Missile
    [Empty High slot]

    Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
    Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
    Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


    Hobgoblin II x5
    Hammerhead II x5


    Nova Heavy Missile x2000
    Mjolnir Heavy Missile x2000
    Inferno Heavy Missile x2000
    Scourge Heavy Missile x2000

    Basic passive mission fit, swapping hardeners as needed (note: add this to comments)
    It was listed with 8 launchers, but 1 hardpoint got removed in the update of March 2018.
    Suggested changes to this fit:
    • Upgrade launchers to tech2 - or add a Drone Link Augmentor (which won't fit with t2 launchers)
    • Swap out the 4th BCS for a DC2 (or alternatively a PDS2)
    • Upgrade Purger rigs to tech2
    • Possibly change drones to Caldari or Amarr, for better damage application


Proposed fits:

  • PvP - Solo/Small Gang Buffer HAM Brawler
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    [Drake Navy Issue, Solo/Small Gang Buffer HAM Brawler]

    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Damage Control II

    50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
    Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
    Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
    Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender

    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
    Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
    Shield Command Burst I, Shield Extension Charge

    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
    Medium Core Defense Field Extender II


    Warrior II x5


    Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x1000
    Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile x2000
    Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile x1000
    Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile x1000
    Inferno Javelin Heavy Assault Missile x2000
    Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile x2000

    https://zkillboard.com/kill/70354038/
    This is the best I could find. There doesn't appear to be much PvP with this ship, in spite of the changes a few months ago...
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Post 2018.06.04 12:45

Re: Drake Navy Issue

My only opinion on the PvE fit is that you should use a Gila.

On the PvP fit, I took a look at the zKill loss filter, looking for people who I expect to be reasonably competent. I noticed a few fits from folks in Minions, Tuskers, and Clown Car, all of whom are quite decent, along with a shameful loss from my alliance. :joy:

Each of these fits uses a skirmish burst, with either speed or interdiction charges, at least one nano, and a point/web or point/dual web tackle setup. (This tackle setup allows you to keep people from warping away in the 20-25km range and is common for other kitey BCs, such as the rail Brutix/Navy Brutix or especially the Navy Harby with its 5 mids. Notably, point + double web tackles MWD ships trying to ram you almost as hard as scram + web, while leaving their MWD on to keep their sig nice and big.)

Gagatek, from Call of the Wild/Minions, and Yue, from Clown Car, both use HMLs. It looks like Yue is using the HMLs to match engagement range with the other members of a small gang while he provides low-key skirmish links; this is a good use case for HMLs, but in most cases solo or small gang Navy Drakes will probably do better with HAMs.

I'd personally like to try a 100mn Navy Drake out; if I ever have a bunch of spare ISK, a good place to solo roam, and time and a functioning computer, I'll probably get three or four of them and see what I can pull off.
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Post 2018.06.05 13:47

Re: Drake Navy Issue

So does that mean that you think the proposed PvP fit should be changed, or not included at all on the wiki?

Also, are you recommending one (or more) of the fits you linked to be included for the wiki?
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Raido Kudonen

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Post 2018.06.05 18:28

Re: Drake Navy Issue

The proposed fit has a T1 command burst for fitting, which is strange because you should instead go T2 and swap one of the CN extenders for a RF extender. I also would reconsider a fit that requires that much bling (fit is twice the cost of the hull) and can't engage outside scram range, because that means you are committing to getting blobbed. Instead, if you want a basic, accessible HAM brawl fit, you should go with this:

SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake Navy Issue, ham brawl]

Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x5
Acolyte II x5


Gagatek's MWD + MJD HML fit is probably good for something more skirmishy at a reasonable price. Rhythmic's is a Genos fit so it's very niche, and the small gang links fit Yue uses is interesting but probably niche as well.
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Post 2018.06.10 19:54

Re: Drake Navy Issue

I've published Solo fit.

Also I'm in favor posting the PvE fit. Yes, Gila would mostlikely do better, but it's hull is twice more expensive now (300M vs 150M for DNI). Plus some people could have Caldari BC trained vs Caldary and Gallente Cruisers... And HAM vs RLM, also as a base for comparison I believe it worth having the fit published.

Though, instead of HM, I'd post HAM, replace 4th BCU with MGE. And maybe use Guidance Computer instead of a target painter: it will help with range or application depending on needs.

SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake Navy Issue, PvE - 10MN HAM PasssiveShieldRegen]

Missile Guidance Enhancer II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Target Painter II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

This should do well for L3 missions. I think that Active Shield fit would do better in terms of tank though.
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Post 2018.06.11 14:30

Re: Drake Navy Issue

Here's the standard small gang/nano DNI fit:

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[Drake Navy Issue, Drake Navy Issue - nano MJD]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium Micro Jump Drive
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Skirmish Command Burst II, Rapid Deployment Charge

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II


Acolyte II x5
Valkyrie II x5


You can make it into a PODLA Drake by dropping the MJD or invuln for a second web , but the rest stays pretty much the same. Can also cheapen out on the LSE or web, but I'd recommend keeping at least a CN/DG web. This thing really shines in combination with another Drake (or any BC for the matter) where you can run both double skirmish links and web stuff out to 23km for perfect application.

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