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Shintu Felper

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Post 2018.05.30 21:01

Dragoon

Here are some Dragoon Fits I have created from an amalgamation of killboards. The one thing of note compared to the old fits is the increased prevalence of Rocket use over Autocannons in certain situations.

The main change in lifeblood is the loss of a NOS module and then a new midslot which is generally used for tackle or capacitor. In addition to more rocket fits there is also a trend of dropping some tank to fit a drone damage amplifier.

Armor Fleet MWD
SPOILER WARNING!
[Dragoon, Armor Fleet MWD]

Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler
Small Capacitor Booster II

Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Warrior II x5


Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x1000


Armor Fleet AB
SPOILER WARNING!
[Dragoon, Armor Fleet AB]

Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

1MN Afterburner II
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier

Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Warrior II x5


Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x1000


Solo Autocannon
SPOILER WARNING!
[Dragoon, Solo Autos]

AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier

Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x10
Warrior II x5


Barrage S x500
Republic Fleet EMP S x500
Republic Fleet Fusion S x500
Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S x500
Nanite Repair Paste x24


Solo Dual Rep
SPOILER WARNING!
[Dragoon, Solo Drep Autos]

Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II
Small Armor Repairer II

1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x10
Warrior II x5


Barrage S x500
Republic Fleet EMP S x500
Republic Fleet Fusion S x500
Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S x500
Navy Cap Booster 400 x6


There are not many PVE fits for this ship out there as this ship is generally inferior to the Algos in terms of PVE as a drone boat.
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Post 2018.05.31 05:16

Re: Dragoon

I have an AB autocannon fit which I definitely think is an improvement over the one you've posted:

SPOILER WARNING!
[Dragoon, Dragoon - AB AC]

Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

1MN Afterburner II
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Small Energy Neutralizer II
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Small Energy Neutralizer II
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S

Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II


Acolyte II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5


This fit will be faster than the posted fit because of the use of Transverse Bulkheads over Trimarks, will have more dps due to the use of 200mm ACs instead of 150mms, and will be cap stable, allowing both neuting and repping simultaneously. The loss of the web doesn't matter a great deal because 200mm ACs can apply anywhere within scram-range, and drones do not require webs to operate.

Proof of effectiveness:
https://zkillboard.com/kill/68024438/
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Shintu Felper

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Post 2018.06.01 21:40

Re: Dragoon

I had seen a few of these fits, did not realize the drawback was different for the transverse instead of trimarks and now it makes more sense.
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Post 2018.07.19 20:36

Re: Dragoon

So I've done a second pass and tried to condense and tweak the fits a bit:

Fleet fits(there is both an AB and MWD version, we should probably just post the MWD and have the AB as a swap option in notes):
Armor Fleet MWD
SPOILER WARNING!
[Dragoon, Armor Fleet MWD]

Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Acolyte II x5


Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x1000
Navy Cap Booster 400 x6

Armor Fleet AB
SPOILER WARNING!
[Dragoon, Armor Fleet AB]

Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Acolyte II x5


Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x1000
Navy Cap Booster 400 x6


For solo fits the dual and single rep are pretty close as well I do not know if we want to just list one and have second swap in notes:
Solo Autocannon AB
SPOILER WARNING!
[Dragoon, Solo Autos]

Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S

Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Acolyte II x5


Barrage S x500
Republic Fleet EMP S x500
Republic Fleet Fusion S x500
Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S x500
Nanite Repair Paste x24
Navy Cap Booster 400 x6

Solo Dualrep Autos
SPOILER WARNING!
[Dragoon, Solo Drep Autos]

Small Armor Repairer II
Small Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Acolyte II x5


Barrage S x500
Republic Fleet EMP S x500
Republic Fleet Fusion S x500
Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S x500
Navy Cap Booster 400 x6


I have also created a basic PVE fit for those who want it, I see the dragoon in mainly a pvp role. At the sametime it has a good drone bonus on it so it can be used for pve.
SPOILER WARNING!
[Dragoon, PVE Dragoon]

Small Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Drone Navigation Computer I
Cap Recharger II

Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5
Acolyte II x5
Hornet II x5


Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x1000
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Post 2018.07.30 10:43

Re: Dragoon

Fleet fits are pretty tight, the MWD fit needs a 2% CPU implant at All 5s. Were there any fits that were a little lower in SP requirements? Edit: Looking at the new fits it seems they're mostly rehashes of old fits but struggle on CPU because of the new slot layout. So I guess we can leave high SP fits in there. Does it make sense to look at the Dragoon fits for Nos/Neut role in a small ship fleet (i.e. without DPS high slot and just a rack of nos/neuts)?

For the solo fits you could combine them as you suggested. Would switch the Cap Booster II for a meta version because it does the same thing but works better when overheating.
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Shintu Felper

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Post 2018.07.30 18:55

Re: Dragoon

The MWD fleet fit can be fitted if the rockets are metaed down. I was just trying to bring the two fits as close as possible. If we meta both fits then that would mantain parity other then prop/rig slot and free up some fitting and lower the SP.

Armor Fleet MWD
SPOILER WARNING!
[Dragoon, Armor Fleet MWD]

Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Acolyte II x5


Guristas Inferno Light Missile x1000
Navy Cap Booster 400 x6


Armor Fleet AB
SPOILER WARNING!
[Dragoon, Armor Fleet AB]

Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I

Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Acolyte II x5


Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x1000
Navy Cap Booster 400 x6


I spent quite a bit of time on multiple occasions scraping zkill for dragoon fits through the last month and like 80% of the pvp fits I come across are these fits or variants on them usually involving changing damage mods for more buffer and the like. The other fits are generally newer player attempts at fits with mixed guns and shield tanks and the like.

As for fitting more neuts I've seen a few with 3 neuts and a few more with 2 neut and 2 nos but not a lot more then that. Looking at fits in this vein it fast becomes an issues of needing a cap feed from a logi to be effective neuter, at which point you should just bring an Ashimmu. It feels like the 2 neuts is the sweet spot.

Also switched the cap booster on pvp fits.

Solo Autocannon AB
SPOILER WARNING!
[Dragoon, Solo Autos]

Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S

Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Acolyte II x5


Barrage S x500
Republic Fleet EMP S x500
Republic Fleet Fusion S x500
Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S x500
Nanite Repair Paste x24
Navy Cap Booster 400 x6


Solo Dualrep Autos
SPOILER WARNING!
[Dragoon, Solo Drep Autos]

Small Armor Repairer II
Small Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Acolyte II x5


Barrage S x500
Republic Fleet EMP S x500
Republic Fleet Fusion S x500
Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S x500
Navy Cap Booster 400 x6
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Post 2018.07.31 08:19

Re: Dragoon

I do use the dragoon myself and i favour the dual rep version with a Small ancillary in the low.
barely worth mentioning :D
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Post 2018.08.04 05:09

Re: Dragoon

Would like to put up a beginner friendly fit. Would like opinions on going meta on one of the solo fits.

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[Dragoon, Solo Autos - Beginner ]

Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Damage Control I
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I
200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I
200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I

Small Transverse Bulkhead I
Small Transverse Bulkhead I
Small Transverse Bulkhead I


Acolyte I x5
Warrior I x5
Hobgoblin I x5


Republic Fleet EMP S x500
Republic Fleet Fusion S x500
Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S x500
Nanite Repair Paste x24
Navy Cap Booster 400 x6
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Post 2018.08.18 03:13

Re: Dragoon

Updated fits onto Fleet-up and made changes to Wiki. Moving to Released.
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