Take it to the scimitar thread.K950 wrote:"Scimitar stuff"
K950 wrote:I should have saved it in my library, but neglected to because I felt that without some reasoning into why it was fit that way, I didn't want to endorse it.
I'm gonna just leave this here.K950 wrote:but if you do that it has to be triple A-Type ANPs, and nothing less.
T2 is fine, the reason you use an ANP is because of fitting, it requires no CPU. Sure, an A-type is very much better, but it also costs a whole bunch more. T2, T2 and pirate hulls do not require deadspace for an ANP. The difference between a T2 ANP(15.4%) and a T2 EANM(20%) is 4.6%, that does not scream awful to me.K950 wrote:The principle reason I brought it up was because without A-Type ANPs you cannot run ANPs on a Tech II, Tech III or pirate faction setup and obtain an acceptable level of tank over faction EANMs. Some ships explicitly require them to actually function correctly - for a Guardian, most recommend it if you run an ANP or two.
Not true, speaking as someone who has lived in w-space for 5 years, high levels of bling is NOT common. For example, 1, 2, 3, 4,K950 wrote:It is also generally expected that most ships involved in w-space brawls will be blinged to a fairly respectable level because each ship is expected to perform at its peak efficiency. K-Space doctrine ships vary of course, partially because of the scope of the engagement -- if I was bringing a Guardian to a Mach versus Mach fleet mine wouldn't be that blingy because 70 Machs don't really care what tank level you have.
Meta levels don't make a fit totally different, the core of the fit is the same and the core of the fit has already been decided as bad due to a single ET. That fit is also 7+ years old and the meta has changed since.K950 wrote:The original Kaboose fit ......etc
Which is why there is guidelines on that, the current one states that the fitting of the ship must not exceed the price of the hull. Sticking 3 A-type ANP's would do exactly that.K950 wrote:Excessive bling on a Guardian would be: full X-Type reppers, A-Type medium reppers, faction plate and a deadspace afterburner, all together, which probably won't fit. X-Type hardeners, depending on when and where you get them, are actually not that bad -- but I would concur that we shouldn't have that set up on the Wiki because it's not something that is easily acquired in larger numbers. But much like putting cheap tires or bargain-bottom paint on a nice automobile is considered wrong by many people, experienced players generally agree that a modest amount of bling on a Guardian is respectable. In fact, expected in some cases, such as the C-Type medium remotes, which Raido states as well.
Not always, as stated previous that depends on who you're flying with and what purpose. Faction plates are common, but not expected. You also need to remember that faction plates have a higher fitting cost which can make the rest of the ship difficult to fit.K950 wrote:Just like A-Type AIFs, CONCORD shield extenders and X-Type hardeners are expected on shield supers and titans, good players expect Guardians to have faction plates, and we should have good fits up on the wiki to meet those expectations, especially for the w-space fits.
The initial comments were made to a stated fact with no evidence, which was then contradicted btw. and the "100mil isk for 6k EHP is not worth it by any means whatsoever" is a comment that you could respond to and say why you think it is.K950 wrote:The responses such as "This is just wrong..." and "Which honestly is not worth it in the slightest..." and "100mil isk for 6k EHP is not worth it by any means whatsoever" are the kind of feedback that indicate to me that my input is void, when I base my suggestions for these fits off competent alliance doctrines and literally copy right off them.
The current proposed fits can be blinged up slightly. Sure, and that will be done; but as of yet i haven't seen any feedback that would fundamentally change the current fits. Just adjust modules and their bling.