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Post 2017.06.03 23:09

Drake

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[Drake, Advanced PvE]
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II
10MN Afterburner II

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Hobgoblin II x5

Scourge Heavy Missile x1
Mjolnir Heavy Missile x1

SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake, Advanced PvP HAM]
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Warrior II x5

Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x1

SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake, Advanced PvP Heavy Missile]
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
10MN Microwarpdrive II

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Warrior II x5

Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile x1

SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake, WH C2 PVE]
Core Probe Launcher I
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5

Core Scanner Probe I x1
Scourge Fury Heavy Missile x1

Fleet up fits
SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake, L3 Missions - Newbro Meta Drake]
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
Small Tractor Beam I

Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Limited Thermal Dissipation Field I
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Phased Scoped Target Painter

Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Mark I Compact Shield Power Relay

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Hobgoblin I x5

SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake, L3 Missions - Meta Launchers Passive Drake]
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
Small Tractor Beam I

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Target Painter II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Hobgoblin II x5
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Rashar Arji

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Post 2017.06.03 23:46

Re: Drake

Suggested new fits:
SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake, PVE Regen]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
Auto Targeting System II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5


Mjolnir Heavy Missile x1
Scourge Heavy Missile x1
Explosive Deflection Field II x1
Kinetic Deflection Field II x1
Thermal Dissipation Field II x1
Explosive Deflection Amplifier II x1
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II x1

SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake, Advanced PvP HAM]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
[Empty High slot]
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5


Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x1

SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake, Advanced PvP HM]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
50MN Microwarpdrive II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[Empty High slot]
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5


Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile x1

SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake, WH C2 PVE]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Core Probe Launcher I
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5


Scourge Fury Heavy Missile x1
Core Scanner Probe I x1

SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake, L3 Missions - Newbro Meta Drake]

Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay
Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay

Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Limited Thermal Dissipation Field I
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Phased Scoped Target Painter

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Auto Targeting System I
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin I x5

SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake, L3 Missions - Newbro Passive]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Target Painter II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Auto Targeting System I
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5


Changelog:
Renaming
*Advanced PVE renamed to PVE Regen
*Advanced PVP Heavy Missile renamed to Advanced PVP HM
*L3 Missions - Newbro Meta Launchers Passive Drake renamed to L3 Missions - Newbro Passive
*L3 Missions - Newbro Meta Drake rename to L3 Missions - Newbro

All PVE fits:
* Small Tractor Beam changed for Auto Targeting System
Like said on slack, these fits were probably made before MTUs were introduced. ATS added for more targets.

WHC C2 PVE:
*Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay changed to Shield Power Relay II
*Rigs changed to Medium Core Defense Field Purger I for higher tank
*Afterburner changed to T2

L3 Missions - Newbro Meta Launcher
*Removed one BCS for another SPR

Advanced PVP HAM
* Removed Small Neut
* PDS changed to BCS

Advanced PVP HM
* Removed Small Neut

Notes: I'm really divided regarding the mission fits. I'm not quite sure about the tank/DPS requirement for L3 missions right now
and it's something I have to look into before deciding on the lowslots.
Last edited by Rashar Arji on 2017.06.04 09:28, edited 2 times in total.
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Post 2017.06.04 07:27

Re: Drake

Advanced PVE Fit: The Adaptive Invulnerability Field II seems to give better (by a small amount) EHP regen and EHP compared to the one with a Shield Extender instead. After comparing both fits against NPC Serpentis Damage pattern, which gives 55% Thermal and 45% Kinetic split, the shield extender fit in comparison has -37 EHP/s and -4.9k EHP. I haven't checked thoroughly but it appears to be similar when I change the specific resist modules to match the different NPC damage patterns.
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Post 2017.06.04 09:11

Re: Drake

It should also have T2 SPRs. It'll preform worse against damage coming from EM/Therm naturally due to the resist profile of T1 shields. To combat this you can of course add more resist modules. I would use specific hardeners over invulns however. The AMPs are just placeholder, you should always carry hardeners and amps for refits when it comes to PVE :)

EDIT: A mid slot layout of 2xLSE, 1 main damage amp, 1 main damage hardener, 1 secondary dmg amp gives the best result.
EDIT2: Fit updated.
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Neonen Enderas (Biomassed 2017.06.23)

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Post 2017.06.04 09:34

Re: Drake

The funny thing about PvE is, you always know what kind of damage is incoming. So I'd only fit an AIF if I had only 1 slot for hardeners (not going to happen).

I'd rather go for 1 of each hardeners and put a link towards the NPC damage article. So people can read up on how to fit according to their mission. And the free highslot.. whelp. Why not just keep it free and suggest a salvager and have an MTU in the hold? I think I ran with a DLA back when I thought Drakes are the only ship you should be flying, but the bonus control range was barely needed.

PvE Draek
SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake, PVE Regen]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Mark I Compact Shield Power Relay
Mark I Compact Shield Power Relay

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Auto Targeting System I
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5


Explosive Deflection Field II x1
EM Ward Field II x1
Even the 2 bonus locks are enough to grind down the L3 missions.

Alternative would be this one.

Draek salvager
SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake, PVE Regen]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Mark I Compact Shield Power Relay
Mark I Compact Shield Power Relay

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Salvager II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5


Explosive Deflection Field II x1
EM Ward Field II x1
Mobile Tractor Unit x1
For the hardcore carebear. :)
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Post 2017.06.04 14:17

Re: Drake

The AIF only worked better in the previous case because resists > 3rd shield extender at that point. Choosing between passive vs active for the actual pilot will depend on his cap related skills but at all 5s you can even go 3 active and be cap stable.

As an example, if we take the fit with 2 active modules and replaced the shield extender with a passive resist module of the NPC damage type it yields better EHP.
SPOILER WARNING!
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[Drake, PVE Regen copy]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay
Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Auto Targeting System I
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5

On a side note the Mark I Shield Power Relays are worse than Type-D ones because it gets the reduced fitting cost at the expense of increased capacitor recharge rate penalty. I think going for meta utility high or choosing another high is better for fitting.

Edit: Just wanted to add that I agree we should use one as an example and just put notes that the resist modules can be replaced to match the NPC damage type. If we take 3 resist mids then we would go with 2 for either the weakest resist (EM for Sansha, Blood Raider) or the highest damage type the NPC puts out (Kinetic for Mordu's Legion accounts for 70%) whichever is skewed the most. The remaining one for secondary damage type. With active modules we'd want to even it out first before getting a second active module of the same damage type.
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Post 2017.06.04 20:01

Re: Drake

Biwako Acami wrote:On a side note the Mark I Shield Power Relays are worse than Type-D ones because it gets the reduced fitting cost at the expense of increased capacitor recharge rate penalty. I think going for meta utility high or choosing another high is better for fitting.

You should use the T2 SPRs. I'm not quite sure what you mean with the last sentence, there aren't that many usable utility highs.

Biwako Acami wrote:Edit: Just wanted to add that I agree we should use one as an example and just put notes that the resist modules can be replaced to match the NPC damage type. If we take 3 resist mids then we would go with 2 for either the weakest resist (EM for Sansha, Blood Raider) or the highest damage type the NPC puts out (Kinetic for Mordu's Legion accounts for 70%) whichever is skewed the most. The remaining one for secondary damage type. With active modules we'd want to even it out first before getting a second active module of the same damage type.

Yes, this is how you PVE :)
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Post 2017.06.05 15:38

Re: Drake

Last sentence was just about fitting hardeners. The T2 Auto Targeting system takes a lot more CPU than the meta versions and puts the fit over on CPU fitting if we start using active modules.

T2 SPR is better though I reckon we should put in notes that meta Type-D can be used in case the pilot has low cap skills as I'm noticing I'm down to 10 mins cap life with T2 at my skill level :roll:
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Post 2017.06.06 08:27

Re: Drake

For PvP, the drake is an unusual ship. It's pretty bad, tbh. Nobody is going to use a HM solo PvP drake because they're just bad. HMs apply worse than HAMs and do less dps, they are for alpha. There's no point having a fleet buffer fit to be honest. This is probably your best bet. And while the second AIF might LOOK good on paper, you need to account for the times that someone will just flat out nuke your cap with neuts, which is very common.

SPOILER WARNING!
[Drake, PvP HAM Buffer]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II

Small Energy Neutralizer II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5


For PvE, I'm fairly certain we can get away with a "1 loadout fits all". If your difference in fits is like one probe launcher and some items being meta'd, then just make one fit. It's like me posting a version of the fit above with a nos instead of a neut. Keep it simple.
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Post 2017.07.04 03:52

Re: Drake

I also think that 1 PvE fit is enough.

From PvP fits, speaking with other PvPers, so far only Whites makes sense to me.

@Rashar: why HM and 2 webs? Can't 2 webs work with HAMs? Or if you want to apply at RANGE, why webs at all?

I also would like to post a fleet version. I think armor Brutixes are better for a fleet use, but why to not post a fleet shield version? Maybe somebody will need to complement.

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