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Budda Sereda

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Post 2017.03.13 23:44

Gila

As I only feel confident with ratting ships and obligated to start contributing I would like to kick in a thread for Gila.

As far as I understand the goal of this thread: it is to review existing fits published in Wiki and update/correct existing according to recent game changes, see what could be modifications for Alpha-clones, maybe add new fits if they make sense.

Changes existing fits:

Gila: PvP, MWD Kiting
    * Move up higher, to have PvP fits nearby on top

Gila: Poor Mans Ishtar
    * Move up higher, to be after PvP fits, before PvE fits

Gila: PvE Brawler
    * And note: if running missions (L3), consider replacing AB by MWD - it often increases missions execution time

Gila: PVE, Level 3/4 Mission Runner
    * Move up higher, to be after PvP fits, and after PvE Brawler fit, before the rest of PvE fits

Gila: Gila - Oversized Booster
    * Rename fit to PvE, Level 4 - Oversized Booster
    * Replace Compact AB with T2

New Fits:

Gila: PvE, Level 4 - Oversized Booster

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[Gila, Gila - Oversized Booster - L4]

[Gila, Gila - Oversized Booster - L4]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Guristas Nova Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Guristas Nova Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Guristas Nova Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Guristas Nova Light Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Republic Fleet Valkyrie x2
Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
Hobgoblin II x2
Acolyte II x2
Hornet EC-300 x4
Hammerhead II x2

Scourge Light Missile x3000
Inferno Light Missile x3000
Scourge Fury Light Missile x1

FITTING DIFFICULTY: 4 (not sure what is the scale, it can't be fit by Alpha-character even if it was permitted to fly Gila)

[Gila, Gila - C3 solo]

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Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pithum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

'Augmented' Hammerhead x2


FITTING DIFFICULTY: 3 (not sure what is the scale, but could be fit even for Alpha-character if it was permitted to fly Gila)

Notes to fit:
    * Shield regeneration tank performs the best at 30% of shield level, if shield goes lower than 40% - align to celestial, pull drones, and warp off; warp back to site (you created bookmark to your MTU, did not you?)
    * Last waves could be tough, so be ready to warp off once you take too much damage; especially if shield skills are L3-L4 only
    * Propulsion module is not required for C3 green sites: you don't need to travel much on grid, slow-boating is often enough
    * Augmented drones are nice option: they not only increase DPS, they also remove rats quicker which allows you stay on grid longer and bounce less times
    * Once you master ratting in WH, consider replacing 1 or 2, or even all 3 SPR by DDAs; to be safe have Mobile Depot and orbit it so you can replace DDA back by SPR if your tank won't stand incoming DPS
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Post 2017.03.14 00:18

Re: Gila

Overall it feels like there's too many fits overall. Can we consolidate? Do we need that many different PvP/PvE fits? Are they significantly disjoint from each other?

PS: Difficulty scale is from 1 (easiest) to 3 (hardest). I generally try to reserve 1 for things that can be flown by new characters with minimal training, 2 for stuff that is alpha capable at max skills, 3 for everything else. Roughly.
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Post 2017.03.14 04:40

Re: Gila

Agree, kind of too many fits. Will group them into a smaller amount. What should be focus of notes? I guess how to fly this fit, not how to customize it? If 'customization' is required, better to have another fit?
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Post 2017.03.14 11:12

Re: Gila

Notes section is fine for listing customization options if they don't change the "core" of what the fit does.
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Post 2017.03.15 04:54

Re: Gila

Ok, I believe this is done good enough. Please review and let me know if anything needs to be improved yet. Otherwise please approve publishing to wiki.

All fits require removal of heavy and sentry drones, will do updating fits.

Changes existing fits:

Gila: PvP Drone Boat
Looks ok on my inexperienced opinion.

Gila: PvP, MWD Kiting
    * Move up higher to have both PvP fits on top of the page
    * Why does it need Omnidirectional Tracking? Gila's small drones track everything well, including frigates. I recommend to put at least another Limited * Invulnerability Field, this gives another 13k EHP. With implant can fit T2 field.
    * Remove Heavy and Sentry drones from the fit, maybe add EC-300

Gila: PvE Brawler
And few notes:
    * Rename to "PvE, General low-end"
    * Inexpensive Gila fit for low-end PvE, not recommended to use: if this fit work consider using VNI (Gila is an expensive ship, use it when its benefits are really needed)
    * If running L3 missions, consider replacing AB by MWD - it often increases missions execution time
    * Not optimal, but can be used for L3/L4, DED sites missions in group with logies

Gila: Poor Mans Ishtar
    * Remove, is replaced by C3 Solo
    * Copy/rework notes to be applicable for C3 solo.

Gila: PVE, Level 3/4 Mission Runner
    * Remove, for L4 solo is too weak, otherwise pretty much duplicate to "PvE Brawler".

Gila: Gila - Oversized Booster
    * Rename fit to PvE, Level 3 - Oversized Gist Booster
    * Replace Compact AB with T2

New Fits:

Gila: PvE, Level 4 - Oversized Pith Booster

  Code:

[Gila, Gila - Oversized Booster - L4]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Cap Recharger II

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Guristas Nova Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Guristas Nova Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Guristas Nova Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Guristas Nova Light Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Republic Fleet Valkyrie x2
Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
Hobgoblin II x2
Acolyte II x2
Hornet EC-300 x4
Hammerhead II x2

Guristas Scourge Light Missile x3000
Guristas Inferno Light Missile x3000

FITTING DIFFICULTY: 4

Gila: PvE, C3 solo

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[Gila: PvE, C3 solo]

Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pithum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

'Augmented' Hammerhead x2


FITTING DIFFICULTY: 3

Notes to fit:
    * Shield regeneration tank performs the best at 30% of shield level, if shield goes lower than 40% - align to celestial, pull drones, and warp off; warp back to site (you created bookmark to your MTU, did not you?)
    * Last waves could be tough, so be ready to warp off once you take too much damage; especially if shield skills are L3-L4 only
    * Propulsion module is not required for C3 green sites: you don't need to travel much on grid, slow-boating is often enough
    * Augmented drones are nice option: they not only increase DPS, they also remove rats quicker which allows you stay on grid longer and bounce less times
    * Once you master ratting in WH, consider replacing 1 or 2, or even all 3 SPR by DDAs; to be safe have Mobile Depot and orbit it so you can replace DDA back by SPR if your tank won't stand incoming DPS
    * Able to do relic sites in a C5 wormhole (check references how to run them first!)
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Post 2017.03.15 06:32

Re: Gila

Can agree on those fits, was suggesting to remove the poor mans Ishtar because well... poor but clever man gets a VNI instead of an Ishtar/Gila. ;)
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Post 2017.03.17 21:40

Re: Gila

Posted PvE fits to Fleet-up (we don't post directly to wiki anymore). Fits posted:

Solo PvE - Active:
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[Gila, Solo PvE - Active Wiki(3)]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Cap Recharger II

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Auto Targeting System II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Hammerhead II x2
Republic Fleet Valkyrie x2
Hornet EC-300 x4
Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
Hobgoblin II x2
Acolyte II x2

Guristas Scourge Light Missile x3000
Guristas Inferno Light Missile x3000


Solo PvE - Passive:
  Code:
[Gila, Solo PvE - Passive Wiki(3)]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pithum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

'Augmented' Hammerhead x2



Solo PvE - Active contains notes on replacing Pith with Gist for lower-damage content, so the L3 fit is superfluous. I don't like the cheap Gila - as you correctly point out, you should use a VNI instead. Thus, cutting that.

PvP fits TBD, I want those to be given another pass, preferably by people that have used them/know how they work.
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Post 2017.03.17 21:50

Re: Gila

Proposed Gang PvP fit from #whc-alumni:
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[Gila, Nullsec bull]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Guristas Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Guristas Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Guristas Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Guristas Scourge Light Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Drone Speed Augmentor II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II


Valkyrie II x5
Infiltrator II x3


Opinions?
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Post 2017.03.18 13:54

Re: Gila

Looks good but why the drone speed rig? You've got the RLMLs for anything that's trying to outrun your drones. I'd switch it for more tank - field extender or fill up the thermal hole.

There's also this fit as an option, courtesy of rhiload. More tank, less speed but still good enough to catch other cruisers. Rigs can be rearranged for higher resists if flown in a fleet.

  Code:
[Gila, exploit pirates]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II

50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Valkyrie II x2
Infiltrator II x4
Hammerhead II x4


Scourge Fury Light Missile x51
Inferno Fury Light Missile x500
Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x396
Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x986


And there's the passive brawling option that was briefly discussed in one of our attempts to create a shield doctrine:

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[Gila, WHC PvP]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II

Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II


Hammerhead II x2


Lacks any sort of tackle or utility, but it can pew up to 792 dps.
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Post 2017.03.19 02:40

Re: Gila

From my inexperienced point of view:

* Tech I rigs Mrakling, for Gila? Seriously? Even for PvP, same as for PvE: that is an expensive ship. The price difference will be around 60M, but with the whole price at 300M that's not crucial.

* I agree drones speed rig does not sound reasonable: medium drones are quick anyway.

* For passive fit: honestly, I see no point to stick to passive resist on the ranged engagements. Active resist will consume more energy, but will give higher resist. To mitigate problem with cap Cap Recharger or Cap Booster can be put instead of Shield Extender. Overall, fit has same tank, but higher resist profile.

* And HAMs vs RLMLs: I do strongly believe that RLMLs always beat HAMs: apply better, have higher range, allow burst of DPS while not reloading. It takes LONG time to reload, but in some cases, especially in Kitey format, this is mitigated by pulling range for reloading.

So for WHC PvP I would recommend:

[Gila, Gila - WHC PvP active, RLML]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II

Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Hammerhead II x2



I would love to try it once, but I feel no chances coming in the nearest time.
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Post 2017.03.19 12:11

Re: Gila

-Tech II rigs only give you around ~6k ehp for the price of 60m, so I'd leave them out of the base fit. At this point I think it's the pilot's personal preference as to how he wants to bling out his ship for maximum efficiency.

-The passive fit I've posted was created to brawl in close range, hence the HAMs and passive tank (It was designed to mimic a Sacrilege - blame Titus).

I really like your proposed fit because it can kite enemy fleets at the edge of faction missiles while being safe from HIC scrams; I would still adjust the rigs to improve the resist profile when flying with logi.
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Post 2017.04.27 08:35

Re: Gila

As an addition, this fit I find is much better than the rhiload fit if you wish to have a good solo brawling fit up there. This thing has 605 dps with hammerheads but sports a total tank of close to 69k EHP with the XLASB used up. Add a standard blue pill to that and you get 76.5k EHP.

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[Gila, PvP Solo Rocket 1%]

Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II

Warp Scrambler II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Rocket Launcher II, Inferno Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Inferno Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Inferno Rage Rocket
Small Energy Nosferatu II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II


'Augmented' Hammerhead x2
'Augmented' Valkyrie x2
'Augmented' Vespa x2
Infiltrator II x2
Hammerhead II x2


Inferno Rage Rocket x450
Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket x450
Nanite Repair Paste x150
Navy Cap Booster 400 x27
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Post 2017.04.27 15:00

Re: Gila

Extender rig for self-rep? Why not Operational Solidifier?
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Post 2017.04.27 15:04

Re: Gila

Budda Sereda wrote:Extender rig for self-rep? Why not Operational Solidifier?

Operational solidified reduces the cycle time of shield boosters, all that would mean is you run out of XLASB charges quicker and you'll still tank the same (because you can get maybe 1 cycle off without charges before your cap is dead).
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Post 2017.05.06 11:10

Re: Gila

Titus Tallang wrote:Posted PvE fits to Fleet-up (we don't post directly to wiki anymore). Fits posted:

Solo PvE - Passive:
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[Gila, Solo PvE - Passive Wiki(3)]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pithum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

'Augmented' Hammerhead x2




Caldari Shield Power Relays are not that expensive over the entire fit and gives a considerable boost to the survival of the gila under heavy fire.
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