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Post 2017.01.13 14:58

Burst

Current fittings:

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[Burst, AB Fit]
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster

1MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Extender II
Cap Recharger II

Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Acolyte II x1


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[Burst, MWD]
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster

5MN Microwarpdrive II
Medium Shield Extender II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Acolyte II x1

Navy Cap Booster 400 x1


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[Burst, AB Assault Frigate Fleet (LSC)]
Gistii A-Type Small Remote Shield Booster
Gistii A-Type Small Remote Shield Booster
Gistii A-Type Small Remote Shield Booster

1MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I


Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x1


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[Burst, Burst - Medium Rep Power]
Small Asymmetric Enduring Remote Shield Booster
Small Asymmetric Enduring Remote Shield Booster
Medium Murky Compact Remote Shield Booster

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Medium Shield Extender II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I


Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x1

Navy Cap Booster 400 x9
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Kyle Hargrove

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Post 2017.01.13 20:40

Re: Burst

If, as I understood from the discussion on the Inquisitor, we're excluding deadspace reppers on T1 logi frigs (debatable, but I have the feeling nobody here wants to see it debated), I would say:

- AB fit seems standard, and gets a pass from me. Only possible improvement is to put T2 EM rig, but kinda hinders disposability (brings cost from 6.5M to 8M). On the opposite direction, a meta afterburner makes it cost only 4.5M.
Opinion: keep with note.

- MWD fit also seems pretty standard, and I'd say it gets a pass from me. See note on AB fit for T2 rig.
Opinion: keep.

- Medium repper fit seems nice, but IDK if it is something I'd put on the wiki.
Opinion: keep with reserve.

- LSC fit is a tad too blingy IMO, since it's over 30M in deadspace reppers alone (at this point, might as well go for a Scythe?).
Opinion: ditch.
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Post 2017.01.13 21:20

Re: Burst

Keep in mind we don't default to "include" for existing fits. They're here as a reference for what's currently included, not as a baseline to work from.
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Neonen Enderas (Biomassed 2017.06.23)

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Post 2017.01.21 22:47

Re: Burst

All expept the deadspace fit one are ok (consens in this forums it seems, at least for T1 ships.. bleh :P).
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Post 2017.01.23 09:43

Re: Burst

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[Burst, Alpha Max]

Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Medium Shield Extender II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
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Biwako Acami

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Post 2017.02.18 07:34

Re: Burst

Could someone explain for me why boosters are used on Navitas but we have 3 cap modules for the Burst? Edit: Seeking clarification on the standard AB fit.
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Post 2017.04.27 12:44

Re: Burst

Biwako Acami wrote:Could someone explain for me why boosters are used on Navitas but we have 3 cap modules for the Burst? Edit: Seeking clarification on the standard AB fit.


Navitas is armor tanked so needs the low slots. Bursts don't so may as well stick cap mods on. Same reasoning as the Scythe/Scimitar uses cap power relays in the lows.
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Post 2017.04.28 04:07

Re: Burst

Thank you! You finally answered this for me after about 2 months of me not getting it. :D

I have to admit though I didn't ponder over it too much because I didn't work on logi stuff after that.

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Post 2017.05.03 00:53

Re: Burst

Frozen: I guess your fit offers better tank and cap stability with exchange for more management? I think that for T1 frigate simplicity is important, but it is cap stable at all L5 only... so I prefer we publish Frozen's fit for AB.

Why everybody uses meta booster (Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster), but not a T2 version (Small Remote Shield Booster II)? I don't see skills as a problem as requirements for small modules should be easy to fulfill...
What do I miss? Is that fitting issue?

Agree about BLinged versions of fits: they don't make sense for T1 frigate and more suitable for T2. If player can afford spending 40M for bling of T1 he most likely is also capable either training or injecting T2 frigates. So bling version will be removed.
But LSC Shield AF - Logi Wiki(2) - used by LSC Shield Assault Frigates doctrine... essentially it is twice on wiki... So.. let's keep it for now and remove once we put Scalpel.

Med Rep Power fit (under another name "LSC Terrible Talwars" was used in "LSC Terrible Talwars" doctrine). So I replaced fit in the doctrine.

Magic Merlin fit on wiki - same as AB fit - replaced.

Burst: NSC Reship Burst - is it used by NSC industrialists? Asked nsc slack.
Lol, same about Burst - LSC - Basic Gang Burst, but for LSC :)
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Alexander Oromov

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Post 2018.08.15 14:00

Re: Burst

Last of the t1 logi frigates, same treatment for this one: exchanged buffer rig with thermal resist rig, better repairs, cheaper price. It's not a grandios fit, Bursts just don't have good AB fits, but hey, it covers the niche of passive cap recharging shield logi.

AB Burst
SPOILER WARNING!
[Burst, A-SR ✪ | RAR | ✪ +91.9 HP/s ✈ 1'152m/s | 5.18s ✚ 5'623 + 22.3 EHP | Combat Logistics - Capacitor Recharger - EHP Focus | Ran]

Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Medium Shield Extender II
Cap Recharger II

Small Remote Shield Booster II
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small Remote Shield Booster II

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x1


This one has more EHP, better repairs, better targeting stats overall, and i put a meta overdrive into the cargo hold for velocity refit. fixed charges as well.

MWD Burst
SPOILER WARNING!
[Burst, M-SR ✪ | RAR | ✪ +98.6 HP/s ✈ 3'077m/s | 5.18s ✚ 5'623 + 22.3 EHP | Attack Logistics - Capacitor Booster - EHP Focus | Ran]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
F-89 Compact Signal Amplifier

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Medium Shield Extender II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Remote Shield Booster II
Small Remote Shield Booster II
Small Remote Shield Booster II

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x1


Type-D Restrained Overdrive Injector x1
Navy Cap Booster 400 x19


PS: I found this on the web, out of the box thinking with that medium ancillary REMOTE shield booster.

MARSB Burst
SPOILER WARNING!
[Burst, MARSB Burst]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 200

Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Medium Ancillary Remote Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50

Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Navy Cap Booster 200 x11
Navy Cap Booster 400 x6
Navy Cap Booster 50 x53


EDIT: Updated with K950's suggestion to use meta cap boosters.
Last edited by Alexander Oromov on 2018.08.15 15:48, edited 1 time in total.
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Post 2018.08.15 14:44

Re: Burst

The 1M 2S repper setup is unique to the Burst/Scapel, and while I think it holds some promise, I don't think it works very well. It won't hold up someone under gateguns, for one. You also dedicate 4 fitting mods to make it fit. That said I think we should try a few roams with the MARSB setup to see how well it works.

Keep in mind the small cargo size of logi frigates. Multiple booster sizes is usually a pretty inefficient concept -- you'll find that out when you have a booster load the wrong charges into itself!

Personally I use the Burst as a MWD nano version, and the Bantam as a tanky AB regen setup. This one is mine.

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[Burst, Burst - Shield MWD 3S Standard Cap Boosted]

Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Medium Shield Extender II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Small S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Ancillary Current Router I


Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x1


Navy Cap Booster 400 x8


Drone can be anything, it really doesn't amount to much. As before, because the Bantam has more mids, I feel it's a better choice for AB setups using either an injector or regen (7.94k ehp on my Bantam setup, but 4.5k ehp on the nano Burst), while the Burst is a better choice if you're using MWDs. Logi frigates are slow: in fact, I can get a Scythe to warp just as fast as a logi frigate, and align in one second more.

Budda is probably not reading this thread, but the reason for small scoped remotes is usually fitting or capacitor reasons.

We should also remember that Meta 4 cap injectors perform the same as the T2 version yet are cheaper. They also use less paste to repair (that's mostly a cruiser + thing when you are overloading your injector to try to resist crushing neuting pressure).
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Post 2018.08.15 15:12

Re: Burst

the marsb burst is just for a laugh or two, not proposing to include this anywhere with us, but i think it probably works for the person that designed it :)

that's perfect!!! thanks for pointing out the meta 4 cap works as well as the T2 version. let's safe some money there.

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