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[Probe, Minmatar Scout]
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Expanded Probe Launcher I

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharcher
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharcher
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharcher

Type-D Restrained Nanofiber Structure
Type-D Restrained Nanofiber Structure
Type-D Restrained Capacitor Power Relay

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I


Hornet EC-300 x5
Hornet EC-300 x2

Core Scanner Probe I x8
Combat Scanner Probe I x8

Explorer fit:

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[Probe, Explorer]

'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
Inertial Stabilizers II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Data Analyzer I
Relic Analyzer I
Cargo Scanner I

Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Prototype Cloaking Device I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
[Empty Rig slot]


Hornet EC-300 x3
Hornet EC-300 x4

Scout fit is not really viable, since it's way too hard to fit expanded probes + MWD + T2 cloak because of CPU, but if we want to put it "just because", this could be one (and it's still super hard to fit):

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[Probe, Scout]

Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Scan Rangefinding Array I
Scan Acquisition Array I
Scan Pinpointing Array I

Expanded Probe Launcher I
Improved Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]

Small Processor Overclocking Unit II
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
[Empty Rig slot]

Finally, mandatory cargo fit:

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[Probe, Cargo?]

Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Medium Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender

Improved Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Cargohold Optimization I
Small Cargohold Optimization I

When/if everything is agreed upon, I'll put the finishing touches (drones, probes in cargo, etc) :)

Much like the Magnate don't think the Warp Core Stabilizers should be the preferred low slot for a generic explorer fit.

I'm also not sure a single unbonused rocket launcher with 9-16 dps will help in anyway for the average explorer. The drone bay should help with running away.

Biwako Acami wrote:Much like the Magnate don't think the Warp Core Stabilizers should be the preferred low slot for a generic explorer fit.

I guess? I don't think the drawbacks are that strong either especially since, with this fit, align time is still under 4 seconds and lock range is still 14km, with a range of 5 on the data module. Also, I would say this ship (as much as any other T1 explo frig) is not really viable for surviving a gank in nullsec, but with two stabs it should be fine for most LS operations.

If there is a general adversion towards using WCS we can slap in a couple of nanos, I guess.

Biwako Acami wrote:I'm also not sure a single unbonused rocket launcher with 9-16 dps will help in anyway for the average explorer. The drone bay should help with running away.

I'm actually quite sure it won't help at all. Might be decent padding for shrugging off drones, though, even though that is also an edge case in and of itself. Can be removed, no hard feelings.

I also think we shouldn't get too much in the ~discussion~ mood in this phase, really. As long as a fit is good enough, just go ahead and update it on the wiki. If we have this much "discussion" already, I can't imagine how it's going to be when we'll discuss T3 fitting :)

Any fit that goes to the Wiki is most likely going to be used by a new player who has a very basic understanding of modules and fitting (the reason to refer to the wiki). If the purpose of the ship is to lock 4-6 cans at each site and there is no real threat then the WCS makes the experience unnecessarily uncomfortable for such a player. I reckon a beginner may be more at a disadvantage in hostile space with the WCS while learning the hacking game because of the extra time they'd have to spend in the site.

Here's what I see with my character on the test server (not new or alpha so values may be higher due to trained skills)

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Equipment | Tar. Rng | Lock Time
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2x WCS    | 13.49 km | 6 sec
1x WCS    | 21.84 km | 4.8 sec
0x WCS    | 39.00 km | 2.8 sec

So that puts me at almost double the lock time and I need to get very close to do a scan of the container.

Edit: Wrong pronoun

Edit2: Regarding the topic of having discussions.

I think its best if we drill into the fits with discussions now so we have less to talk about on similar cases and can focus on the newer roles/purposes when they come up. I'm sure the next two racial explorer frigates will have least amount of discussion based on what we identify are the key elements of the ship for its role/size.

Do we want to do another Alpha combat probing fit, similar to the Magnate?

There's my take:

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[Probe, Alpha Combat Probing]

Photonic Upgraded Co-Processor
Photonic Upgraded Co-Processor
Type-D Restrained Nanofiber Structure

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
Scan Acquisition Array I
Scan Rangefinding Array I

Expanded Probe Launcher I, Combat Scanner Probe I
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
[Empty Rig slot]


Hornet EC-300 x4
Warrior I x3


Core Scanner Probe I x16

Swapping the compact mwd for a restrained would reduce the cost of the fit by about a third and there seems to be plenty of fitting space for it.

Not having done combat probing since the modules were introduced is the decreased deviation from the pinpointing array useful?
Are ecm dones actually worth carrying given that this could quite easily die in the time between launching them and telling them to go try and jam something?

Paxte Eriker wrote:Swapping the compact mwd for a restrained would reduce the cost of the fit by about a third and there seems to be plenty of fitting space for it.

Good point! Edited.

Paxte Eriker wrote:Not having done combat probing since the modules were introduced is the decreased deviation from the pinpointing array useful?

Works quite well, even though actually... Let's put Acquisition! That's interesting.

Paxte Eriker wrote:Are ecm dones actually worth carrying given that this could quite easily die in the time between launching them and telling them to go try and jam something?

I guess, but why not putting them?

Explorer

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[Probe, Exploration - Advanced]

Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Data Analyzer I
Relic Analyzer I
Cargo Scanner I

Core Probe Launcher I
Improved Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
[Empty Rig slot]


Hornet EC-300 x4
Warrior I x3


Sisters Core Scanner Probe x16

I take Kyle's fit and remove Warp Core Stabs because they kind of ruin the can hacking experience and put you at risk by making you stay longer at the site (scan resolution penalty) and having to always get close to even scan down a container with the cargo scanner (targeting range penalty).

Notes (still endorsing the notes on the magnate)
- Prototype Cloaking Device I is a cheaper alternative to Improved Cloaking Device II but reduces speed while cloaked.
- Remove Hornet EC-300 and the cloak for Alpha clone pilot
- Hornet EC-300 needs the most training but is only needed when in hostile space
- Low slots can be modified to pilot preference:
  - Inertial Stabilizer provide increased maneuverability at the expense of reducing time to be locked
  - Nanofiber Internal Structure provide increased maneuverability and speed at the expense of reduced structure hitpoints
  - Can swap in Overdrive Injector for increased speed at the expense of cargo capacity
  - Can swap in Warp Core Stabilizer to negate warp disruption/scrambler effects at the expense of shorter targeting range and longer lock times
  - Can swap in Expanded Cargohold for increased cargo capacity at the expense of speed and reduced structure hitpoints

Alpha Prober

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[Probe, Fleet PvP - Alpha Combat Prober]

Photonic Upgraded Co-Processor
Photonic Upgraded Co-Processor
Type-D Restrained Nanofiber Structure

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
Scan Acquisition Array I
Scan Rangefinding Array I

Expanded Probe Launcher I
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
[Empty Rig slot]


Warrior I x3
Warrior I x4


Sisters Combat Scanner Probe x8
Combat Scanner Probe I x16

I take Kyle's fit and change the drones and the processor rig because alpha clones can't use ECM drones and the processor rig was overkill.

Notes (copy paste from Magnate)
- Sister's Expanded Probe Launcher can be used for additional scan strength but is an expensive module for hero/suicide tackle
- To avoid jumping into the fray take a command position in fleet, toggle "exempt from fleet warp", then warp squad/fleet to the signature scanned down
- Switch one rig to Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade II and replace the other with Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II to keep similar scan strength and increase warp speed to reach the target faster (+1.25 AU/s)

Published fits suggested/updated by Biwako, and slightly changed Cargo fit.

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