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Post 2017.01.13 14:54

Rifter

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[Rifter, FW Scram Kite]
'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I, Mjolnir Rocket
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S

1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier

Gyrostabilizer II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
F85 Peripheral Damage System I

Small Projectile Ambit Extension I
Small Projectile Ambit Extension I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I



Nanite Repair Paste x1
Mjolnir Rocket x1
EMP S x1
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Neonen Enderas (Biomassed 2017.06.23)

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Post 2017.01.21 21:46

Re: Rifter

Rifter... Rifter... geez

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[Rifter, Day 1]

Counterbalanced Compact Gyrostabilizer
Counterbalanced Compact Gyrostabilizer
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
J5b Enduring Warp Scrambler

125mm Light Carbine Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
125mm Light Carbine Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
125mm Light Carbine Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket

Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
[Empty Rig slot]


I dunno, Rifter just.. looks bad to me. It's a 3 guns, 1 missile layout, 3 mids, which is enough to get the scram+web, but not enough CPU do do exactly that lol. And 3 lows, which.. again.. is terribad. The dual falloff rigs are utter crap tho. You are limited by your missile range anyway, because you want to maximize your damage.
And 1 damage module is.. meh.
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Post 2017.01.23 09:51

Re: Rifter

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[Rifter, Alpha Max]

IFFA Compact Damage Control
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Gyrostabilizer II

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler

200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I, Republic Fleet EMP S
Small Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer

Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
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Post 2017.03.29 05:57

Re: Rifter

Omega Clone Fit

Based on what I've read online, the Scram Kite Rifter fit with rocket launcher was a thing even after the Rifter nerf so it may still be viable. I found a video from 2015 explaining the fit and showed some interesting fights here. The fit in the video uses Rate of Fire rigs instead of Falloff rigs and this provides better DPS until about 5.2km in comparison. Falloff rigs provide about 10-15 more DPS at about 8km but by then the target will be out of scram range. Overall DPS is highly competitive at All 5s.

I think we should retain this as an advanced fit as there is still some activity on killboard that use this fit as well as the legacy neut/buffer fit.

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[Rifter, Advanced PvP - FW Scram Kite ]

Gyrostabilizer II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
IFFA Compact Damage Control

1MN Afterburner II
J5b Enduring Warp Scrambler
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S

Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
[Empty Rig slot]


Barrage S x360
Republic Fleet Fusion S x360
Caldari Navy Nova Rocket x40
Nanite Repair Paste x16

    Notes
    • AB/Scram/Kite archetype for Faction Warfare PVP
    • Autocannons have tracking advantage over other turrets and a range advantage over Blasters.
    • There is fitting room to adjust meta versions of Scram/Web

Alpha Clone Fits

Besides the FW fit the Rifter has mostly become a Fleet fighter that newer Minmatar players favor. Inspired by Neonen's fit the AC fit below boasts better dps, has a better tank to boot and still comes off as a cheap fit. Armor tank works well for a short range fighter as it needs to be able to lock down the target to apply well.

  • Day 1 Alpha Autocannon
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    [Rifter, Basic Alpha Autocannon]

    Counterbalanced Compact Gyrostabilizer
    200mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
    Damage Control I

    5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
    Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
    Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier

    150mm Light Prototype Automatic Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP S
    150mm Light Prototype Automatic Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP S
    150mm Light Prototype Automatic Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP S
    'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket

    Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
    Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
    [Empty Rig slot]

    • Notes:
      • Very Tight in terms of fitting even at Max Alpha Clone skils
      • Can swap Warp Scrambler for an extra Webifier to free up CPU room if fleet composition allows it.
      • Throwaway fit at 1.3M ISK

There are artillery fits out there but I'm not sure being able to do 500 volley is sufficient enough to plan Alpha Clone Alpha fleets. The DPS is lackluster when compared to the auto cannon fit otherwise.
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Post 2017.04.27 12:07

Re: Rifter

Omega char lowsec rifter (much tankier)

Use refuge if you want, cost difference is only 100k.

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[Rifter, Solo PvP AC (Armor)]

Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Adaptive Nano Plating II

1MN Afterburner II
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
Warp Scrambler II

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Small Energy Nosferatu II

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
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Budda Sereda

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Post 2017.06.28 05:12

Re: Rifter

Replaced "Rifter: Gang PvP - Alpha" with Biwako's fit, published White's Solo PvP AC as "Solo Brawler" which looks better. The only question to White: why Nos, not Neut?

Also added Arty Scram Kiter (Raido's fit).

Do we really need "Gang PvP - Day 1", who cares about "Day 1"? And I don't understand this fit... Even for Day 1 it can easily fit either 200m plate to low+DC1, or MSE instead of 1 of tackle modules+DC: this will only a bit compromise DPS but will greatly improve survivability.
But either armor of shield, rifter is bad for fleet PvP because of low dps or really low tank. Only benefit ability to stay out of sram... which for frigate fleet pvp is not a big deal
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Post 2018.02.08 04:13

Re: Rifter

After another rebalancing, Rifter lost high slot, got low, all fits need the revisit.

Feel free to offer better variants.
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Post 2018.03.03 23:33

Re: Rifter

Afterburner Autocannon:
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[Rifter, Rifter - AB AC]

Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Gyrostabilizer II
'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I

1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier

200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S
200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S
200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S

Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II


MWD Autocannon:
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[Rifter, Rifter - MWD AC]

Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Gyrostabilizer II
'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
J5b Enduring Warp Scrambler
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier

200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S
200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S
200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S

Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
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Biwako Acami

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Post 2018.03.06 08:12

Re: Rifter

I'm only seeing 11 losses on killboard with the bulkhead rigs. Its either super effective or hardly used. I reckon bolstering your reps using armor repairer related rigs could improve your tank better for longer fights than the bulkhead would.

Fleet PvP - Day 1
I'm sure the Day 1 fits are hardly used but just in case I'd like to propose that the update carries a little more tank instead since its so easy to blow out of the sky with low SP speeds/tank. That's 65.6 DPS (-5.3 DPS) but it does have vastly improved tank of 2724 EHP (+826 EHP) at Day 1 SP without hindering speed. Alternatively we could fit a 200m plate to vastly improve the EHP at cost of about 150m/s speed.
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[Rifter, Fleet PvP - Day 1]

Damage Control I
Counterbalanced Compact Gyrostabilizer
'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I
'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I

J5b Enduring Warp Scrambler
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive

125mm Light Carbine Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP S
125mm Light Carbine Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP S
125mm Light Carbine Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP S

Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
[Empty Rig slot]


Scram Kite
From the newer Rifter fits I'm a bit partial to this modification of White's. Though there seems to be prevalence of 200mm armor plate instead of ANP for scram kite fits I find in zkillboard.
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[Rifter, Scram Kite]

'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer

1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier

200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Small Projectile Burst Aerator I


Barrage S x360
Republic Fleet EMP S x360
Republic Fleet Fusion S x360
Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S x360
Nanite Repair Paste x32


I would abandon the Scram Kite wRocket fit.

Arty scram kite
I have no suggestions on this it looks very niche. There are a couple of variants seen on killboard but the bulkhead fits are uncommon.
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Budda Sereda

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Post 2018.03.17 01:31

Re: Rifter

Thanks Biwako.
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Hirmuolio Pine

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Post 2018.05.29 17:38

Re: Rifter

The rifter still has one four high three low fit on the wiki that should probably be removed.
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Post 2018.05.31 05:47

Re: Rifter

Hirmuolio Pine wrote:The rifter still has one four high three low fit on the wiki that should probably be removed.

It is not in fleet-up anymore, I feel like somebody just removed it... Should be reflected on Wiki soon.

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