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Post 2016.12.18 21:12

Tormentor

Current fittings:

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[Tormentor, Armor Fleet]
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Anti-Thermic Pump I
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I


Hobgoblin II x4

Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x2


  Code:
[Tormentor, Solo Brawler]
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

1MN Afterburner II
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I

Internal Force Field Array I
Heat Sink II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Energy Burst Aerator I


Hobgoblin II x4

Nanite Repair Paste x1
Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x1


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[Tormentor, Solo in lowsec FW space]
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

1MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler

Heat Sink II
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste

Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Hobgoblin II x2
Warrior II x2

Nanite Repair Paste x26
Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x4
Gleam S x3
Aurora S x3
Imperial Navy Infrared S x3
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Post 2016.12.19 13:29

Re: Tormentor

The Tormentor when flown solo seems to have minor variants of the two builds:

  • Small Focused Beam Laser w/ Armor Rep
  • Pulse Laser w/ Buffer (sometimes with self rep)

Based on ZKillboard my understanding is that Tormentor is primarily used as a lowsec/plex warfare ship. Our Amarr champion Kelon prefers the Beam/Rep fit but he has a variation for longer scram range. The self rep fit also seems to be quite popular. His fit is CPU and PG stable, I'm assuming to avoid fitting implants.

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[Tormentor, Kelon Darklight's Tormentor (Beam/Rep)]

'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I
Extruded Compact Heat Sink
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste

1MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

Small Energy Burst Aerator I
Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
[Empty Rig slot]


Hobgoblin II x2
Warrior II x2


Gleam S x3
True Sanshas Microwave S x3


Pulse/Buffer variants seems to be divided into: 200mm with Self Rep, 200mm with Heat Sink, 400mm with Gatling Pulse guns.

I'm not sure about the Pulse / Buffer fits (edit: for solo) because with the engagement range reduced, while flying with plates and running an afterburner I doubt it could hold onto whatever it stumbles on.
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Dornath Megara

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Post 2016.12.19 15:13

Re: Tormentor

I like your scram-kitey fit.

I would look at this for very new players (only hull upgrades 4 needed for DCU II)
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[Tormentor, Noob Scram Kite]

Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Extruded Compact Heat Sink
'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler

Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Multifrequency S
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Multifrequency S
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Multifrequency S

Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I


Warrior I x2
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Lotanis Arkturus

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Post 2016.12.21 23:57

Re: Tormentor

I like the two beam fits above - we've got newbro and experienced covered there for solo or small gang stuff.

This is a basic newbro friendly Fleet buffer fit:

  Code:
[Tormentor, FD: Newbro Armor Fleet]

Limited Adaptive Nano Plating I
Damage Control I
Extruded Compact Heat Sink
200mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
J5b Enduring Warp Scrambler

Dual Light Pulse Laser I, Imperial Navy Microwave S
Dual Light Pulse Laser I, Imperial Navy Microwave S
Dual Light Pulse Laser I, Imperial Navy Microwave S

Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Anti-Thermal Pump I
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I


Hobgoblin II x4


Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x3
Imperial Navy Ultraviolet S x3
Imperial Navy Microwave S x3


Between this fit and the other two, we've replaced everything in the original set of fits, which is good because 2 of them don't actually fit even with All V.
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Titus Tallang

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Post 2016.12.31 17:09

Re: Tormentor

Alright. So far, we have the following three fits:
  • Lotanis' Fleet Armor fit (newbro level)
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        [Tormentor, FD: Newbro Armor Fleet]

        Limited Adaptive Nano Plating I
        Damage Control I
        Extruded Compact Heat Sink
        200mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

        5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
        Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
        J5b Enduring Warp Scrambler

        Dual Light Pulse Laser I, Imperial Navy Microwave S
        Dual Light Pulse Laser I, Imperial Navy Microwave S
        Dual Light Pulse Laser I, Imperial Navy Microwave S

        Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
        Small Anti-Thermal Pump I
        Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I


        Hobgoblin II x4


        Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x3
        Imperial Navy Ultraviolet S x3
        Imperial Navy Microwave S x3
  • Dornath's Newbro Solo fit (newbro level)
    SPOILER WARNING!
      Code:
        [Tormentor, Noob Scram Kite]

        Damage Control II
        Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
        Extruded Compact Heat Sink
        'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I

        1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
        X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
        Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler

        Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Multifrequency S
        Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Multifrequency S
        Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Multifrequency S

        Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
        Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
        Small Nanobot Accelerator I


        Warrior I x2
  • Biwako's Advanced Solo fit (advanced level)
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    [Tormentor, Kelon Darklight's Tormentor (Beam/Rep)]

    'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I
    Extruded Compact Heat Sink
    IFFA Compact Damage Control
    Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste

    1MN Afterburner II
    Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
    Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler

    Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
    Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
    Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

    Small Energy Burst Aerator I
    Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
    [Empty Rig slot]


    Hobgoblin II x2
    Warrior II x2


    Gleam S x3
    True Sanshas Microwave S x3

Now, ask the following questions:
  • Do these fits cover the most common applications of the ship? Are there others we want to cover?
  • What would bullet point notes be for fitting/flying each of these ships?
  • What micro-adjustments could be made to these fits to improve them?
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Biwako Acami

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Post 2017.01.03 10:34

Re: Tormentor

I don't think Tormentors serve any other purpose beyond PVP (usually only FW/Lowsec for solo)

For the advanced solo PVP fit here are notes that I have.

Notes:
  • Very tight fitting requirements which needs investment into skills like WU, AWU, PGM, CPU M
  • AB/Scram/Kite archetype for Faction Warfare PVP
  • Use Microwave ammo to fight Kitey opponents
  • Tracking issues can reduce damage application. Try to mitigate with effective piloting.

Fitting Modifications:

  • Overdrive Injector System can be swapped in to improve range control for tracking(in lieu of 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I)
  • One turret rig can be replaced with an alternate rig (for tank or control). This also removes PG requirement penalty applied by the turret rig for easier fitting.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I ran this past Kelon and incorporated his comments. So credit where its due.
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Lotanis Arkturus

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Post 2017.01.03 23:09

Re: Tormentor

Yes, I think these give the major areas for the Tormentor, and give a good starting point for anything else they might want to fit.
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Kristopheros Seraphiel

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Post 2017.01.04 19:30

Re: Tormentor

I think those three fits cover what we need to for the Tormentor. No changes here.
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Decklin Quark Reiger

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Post 2017.01.10 22:50

Re: Tormentor

We have a newbro fleet fit, a newbro solo fit and an advanced solo fit. There isn't an advanced fleet fit listed - do we want one, or are we expecting that an FC who wants to take out a fleet of armour T1 frigates will come up with their own doctrine?
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Biwako Acami

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Post 2017.01.31 14:55

Re: Tormentor

Sorry, I seem to have forgotten about checking the fleet fit.

  • Best Meta
    • 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I ( -15.4% ) instead of Limited Adaptive Nano Plating I ( -11.7% )
    • Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I ( 2.4 x / 2.1 GJ /6tf ) instead of Dual Light Pulse Laser I ( 2 x / 2.4 GJ /8tf )
    • We skip Damage Control Meta because its just not worth the extra isk and the 5tf cpu it frees up is wasted on meta fit (Unless fitting skills are terribad)
  • We can utilize the freed up CPU by
    • Switching to X5 Enduring Stasis ( 2 GJ / 25tf ) webifier instead of Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier ( 5 GJ / 20tf )
    • Switching to 5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive ( 35 GJ / 15 MW / 25tf ) instead of 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive ( 45 GJ / 14 MW / 21tf )
  • Alpha characters won't be able to use T2 Drones. We could downgrade to Hobgoblins I
  • Optional: Armor rigs can be swapped entirely for Energy weapon rigs for more DPS at the cost of EHP as there is a lot of PG left to take on the drawbacks

End result is a tight fit on CPU for new characters (Weapon Upgrades IV or CPU Management V or EE-601 implant needed) but a minor bump in DPS and EHP with more cap life. The combination of switched meta modules make the capacitor go from lasting 2m to lasting 21m for a Max Amarr Alpha character.

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[Tormentor, *Fleet - Newbie]

'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I
Damage Control I
Extruded Compact Heat Sink
200mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
J5b Enduring Warp Scrambler

Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I

Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Anti-Thermal Pump I
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I


Hobgoblin I x4


Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x3
Imperial Navy Ultraviolet S x3
Imperial Navy Microwave S x3


An advanced fitting is actually pretty tight on this hull once you switch to T2 weapons. Below fit is cap stable. If FC needs a point there is only room for an Initiated Compact Warp Disruptor at the cost of cap stability and is also tight on CPU (needs Weapon Upgrades IV and CPU Management V without considering implants)

  Code:
[Tormentor, *Fleet - Advanced]

'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Heat Sink II
200mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
J5b Enduring Warp Scrambler

Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dual Light Pulse Laser II

Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Anti-Thermal Pump I
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I


Hobgoblin II x4


Scorch S x3
Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x3
Imperial Navy Ultraviolet S x3
Imperial Navy Microwave S x3


Update: Multiple minor edits to clarify points.
Update 2: Clarification on skills needed and added drones to advanced fleet fit
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