Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

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Post 2015.08.19 07:36

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

In light of PLEX prices and how much money people are willing to drop on a game these days, I don't think real money would be out of the question. What's it? $30/2b/2 PLEX? So you could spend ~$200 and be a lot of the way there. Consider that just training the character will cost you...oh, ten months or so, probably, and the character will be unusable for a large chunk of that time.

I mean, shit, I'm playing Path of Exile, and there's huge numbers of people plopping down $150-$300 for "Supporter Packs" and cool armor skins.
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Post 2015.08.19 17:07

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

My non-Uni manufacturing toon profits about 4 billion isk/month, so saving isk for carrier pilots that seemingly go for 25-45 billion seems silly. Also spending the $500 to buy 28 Plex at the low end seems a little overkill too. I mean I spend less than $400/year for my three accounts now.

Grabbing another starter toon that has Logi V already and starting the carrier train from there, equally silly prices.

I think I need a course on how to effectively search the character bazaar.

Until then, I've been dealing with the Int-Mem portion of the skills for the Actually Good skill plan on my perfect OGB alt. Those skill come in handy anyway. And it lets me kick this can down the road a bit more. Only 11 months left to finish that skill plan. 14 months to the Advanced. :)
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Post 2015.08.19 17:12

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

There are middle grounds too.

I picked up a super sitter for 7b recently and spent a couple of months polishing it into what I needed. Doesn't have to be out of the box ready.
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Post 2015.08.19 17:12

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

Oh, and thank you for the pointer to PL's paik. Interesting Archon fits.
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Post 2015.08.19 18:08

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

Sagekur Achasse wrote:My non-Uni manufacturing toon profits about 4 billion isk/month, so saving isk for carrier pilots that seemingly go for 25-45 billion seems silly. Also spending the $500 to buy 28 Plex at the low end seems a little overkill too. I mean I spend less than $400/year for my three accounts now.


Why not? At 4b a month you'd be able to afford a very nice character to work with in ~5 months. Even less if you embarked on a campaign of active PvE. That's an extra 6 months or so of playing with the character, not to mention the isk you save on skillbooks.
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Post 2015.08.19 20:18

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

Daniel Wittaker wrote:Why not? At 4b a month you'd be able to afford a very nice character to work with in ~5 months. Even less if you embarked on a campaign of active PvE. That's an extra 6 months or so of playing with the character, not to mention the isk you save on skillbooks.
Because I'm not finding much useful in the 20b range? I believe my issue is not having trained Character Bazaar Use past level I. :)

I've tried http://www.evecharactersearch.com/ and everything comes back with folks wanting 30b or more for carrier pilots or pilots that could be turned into reasonable pilots in a short time.

For example, searching only for Amarr Carrier skill IV or better and total SP less than 80million, here's the last couple days' worth of pilots for sale:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.as ... s&t=440685 wants 45b, has been offered 35b
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.as ... s&t=441168 started at 35b, has only been offered 30b thus far
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.as ... s&t=441202 50mil SP, fairly focused, turned down 26b, claims to be sold privately
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.as ... s&t=441163 66mil SP, fairly focused, sold in less than 36hours for 22b
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.as ... s&t=441150 20mil SP, extremely focused, being sold as a titan sitter for 13b

Okay, looks like I've contradicted myself here. I suppose if I haunt the Bazaar a little more closely and jump in on these bids as soon as possible, I might catch a reasonable deal.

At this point, I'm sure I'm overlooking something obvious to everyone else with regard to the CB.

I've now got a programming itch to scratch to see if I can whip up something to compare eveboard skill lists to the Carrier Pilot skill plans mentioned in this forum.
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Post 2015.08.19 20:21

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

Sagekur Achasse wrote:I've now got a programming itch to scratch to see if I can whip up something to compare eveboard skill lists to the Carrier Pilot skill plans mentioned in this forum.


Like this kind of thing?

http://www.evecharactersearch.com/
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Post 2015.08.19 20:32

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

Sagekur Achasse wrote:
Daniel Wittaker wrote:Why not? At 4b a month you'd be able to afford a very nice character to work with in ~5 months. Even less if you embarked on a campaign of active PvE. That's an extra 6 months or so of playing with the character, not to mention the isk you save on skillbooks.
Because I'm not finding much useful in the 20b range? I believe my issue is not having trained Character Bazaar Use past level I. :)

I've tried http://www.evecharactersearch.com/ and everything comes back with folks wanting 30b or more for carrier pilots or pilots that could be turned into reasonable pilots in a short time.

For example, searching only for Amarr Carrier skill IV or better and total SP less than 80million, here's the last couple days' worth of pilots for sale:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.as ... s&t=440685 wants 45b, has been offered 35b
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.as ... s&t=441168 started at 35b, has only been offered 30b thus far
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.as ... s&t=441202 50mil SP, fairly focused, turned down 26b, claims to be sold privately
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.as ... s&t=441163 66mil SP, fairly focused, sold in less than 36hours for 22b
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.as ... s&t=441150 20mil SP, extremely focused, being sold as a titan sitter for 13b

Okay, looks like I've contradicted myself here. I suppose if I haunt the Bazaar a little more closely and jump in on these bids as soon as possible, I might catch a reasonable deal.

At this point, I'm sure I'm overlooking something obvious to everyone else with regard to the CB.

I've now got a programming itch to scratch to see if I can whip up something to compare eveboard skill lists to the Carrier Pilot skill plans mentioned in this forum.

Do you want a cap ready alt or don't you mind training? I just bought a 28Mn SP character for 10Bn. I'll have some work to do to get him where I want to and able to fly the ships I want him to fly. I highly recommend checking http://www.evecharactersearch.com. If you get multiple potential candidates I recommend setting up a spreadsheet with a link to 1) eveboard 2) forum post. With a bit of RegEx you can even get the skills from eveboard to the spreadsheet and compare all candidates.

Look for starter characters.
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Post 2015.08.19 21:29

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

Aren, I did mention ECS in my earlier reply. I was hoping for something a little more robust.

Just spitting an idea out here:

We've got 4 different Triage Archon skill plans in this forum, viewtopic.php?f=262&t=83855, Minimum, Basic, Actually Good and Advanced.

Given that searching via ECS (EveCharacterSearch.com) for the exact skill requirements of those plans is only giving me finished pilots that go for much higher prices, I was hoping to scrap the eveboard.com skill lists for those pilots, compare them to the 4 skill plans mentioned above and give a rough estimate of time left to reach those various levels.

So eventually I might get something like:

  Code:
Pilot       Minimum     Basic       Actually Good   Advanced
Hexella     complete    complete    4 months        7 months
Somebody    <1 month    <1 month    5 months        9 months
Expert      complete    complete    complete        2 months
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Post 2015.08.19 21:43

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

Sagekur Achasse wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=441150 20mil SP, extremely focused, being sold as a titan sitter for 13b


FYI, an Aeon is a Supercarrier, not a Titan, make sure you know what you're looking at before placing a bid.

My top tip, refine your search, if you have a budget look for toons in that likely price range, a good rule of thumb is cap pilots will often cost 1-4 Bil more for similar SP as a subcap pilot usually due to the cost of the skillbooks plus the added convenience factor of buying a ready to go alt.

As Rashar suggested, if you want something you can train up look for a Carrier sitter (basic jump skills but non perfect supports) or look for a Logistics 5 character with excellent supports (remember you only need Frig 3->BS 3 so cross training those is very little) such as Capacitor, Armour/Shield Comps and Remote Repair skills, this means you can have a toon ready to be useful immediately (Hall alt to a corp you own for Incursions etc.), it's just a trade off between time and ISK, as always.

As a rough guide a focused Carrier toon could be in the 18mil SP range whilst Dreads tend to be up around 25mil SP, looking at higher SP just means more skills you might not want and increase the price accordingly.
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Post 2015.08.19 23:22

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

This is what's considered "Actually Good":

Capital Repair Systems V - 39 days
Capital Remote Repair v - 48 days
Amarr Carrier V - 68 days
Neurotoxin Recovery V - 24 days
Nanite Interfacing V - 14 days

That's bullshit. It's incredibly far beyond being a perfectly usable carrier pilot. It's practically a two-year plan.

Scale back, look for cheap. And you do have to move quickly, because any character that's nearly into caps is going to be very quickly snapped up, trained fully into caps, and resold for a sharp profit.
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Post 2015.08.20 08:27

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

Sagekur Achasse wrote:ECS (EveCharacterSearch.com) for the exact skill requirements of those plans is only giving me finished pilots that go for much higher prices


So don't search for those exact requirements, search for sensible approximates that include pre-reqs (say LogiV, Rep skills to V and maybe some jump skills) - I'm not trying to discourage you from writing your own tool, but there are quick and dirty ways of getting much the same result.

The other question to ask is, what do you actually want a carrier pilot *for* ? As that will significantly affect how 'perfect' you need it to be before you can actually start using it.
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Post 2015.08.20 12:43

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

Aren Dar wrote:So don't search for those exact requirements, search for sensible approximates that include pre-reqs (say LogiV, Rep skills to V and maybe some jump skills) - I'm not trying to discourage you from writing your own tool, but there are quick and dirty ways of getting much the same result.

The other question to ask is, what do you actually want a carrier pilot *for* ? As that will significantly affect how 'perfect' you need it to be before you can actually start using it.

No, thank you, that's pretty much what I'm trying to figure out is what are the reasonable less than perfect skills to search for in ECS to get the better deal.

And here's where I get into big trouble, why do I want a carrier pilot? Because my main, http://eveboard.com/pilot/Sagekur_Achasse flies sub caps pretty well (minus missiles and what you see in my skill queue) and I've always enjoyed the logistics roles and triage carriers are the ultimate logistics tool.
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Post 2015.08.20 13:05

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

Sagekur Achasse wrote:And here's where I get into big trouble, why do I want a carrier pilot? Because my main, http://eveboard.com/pilot/Sagekur_Achasse flies sub caps pretty well (minus missiles and what you see in my skill queue) and I've always enjoyed the logistics roles and triage carriers are the ultimate logistics tool.


Sure, but *where* do you hope to fly them, lowsec, nullsec, wormhole space? Because each of those will prioritise some skills somewhat differently depending on the local environment (jump skills are most important in null, and least important in w-space, T2 triage and generally perfectly fit carrier is most important in w-space).

Also, if you like logistics *that* much then there is nothing to say that you shouldn't train it on your main. What else would you want to fly in the interim that training for a carrier is going to stop you from flying? If the answer is 'very little' then nothing is preventing you from training your carrier on your 'main'.

Ultimately 'main' vs 'alt' is all a matter of perspective anyway.
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Post 2015.08.20 15:40

Re: Spend a year on an alt or buy a carrier pilot?

Sagekur Achasse wrote:
Aren Dar wrote:So don't search for those exact requirements, search for sensible approximates that include pre-reqs (say LogiV, Rep skills to V and maybe some jump skills) - I'm not trying to discourage you from writing your own tool, but there are quick and dirty ways of getting much the same result.

The other question to ask is, what do you actually want a carrier pilot *for* ? As that will significantly affect how 'perfect' you need it to be before you can actually start using it.

No, thank you, that's pretty much what I'm trying to figure out is what are the reasonable less than perfect skills to search for in ECS to get the better deal.

And here's where I get into big trouble, why do I want a carrier pilot? Because my main, http://eveboard.com/pilot/Sagekur_Achasse flies sub caps pretty well (minus missiles and what you see in my skill queue) and I've always enjoyed the logistics roles and triage carriers are the ultimate logistics tool.

My filters when I looked for my dread alt was:

Less than 30M SP
Large X(hybrid or projectile) guns V, sometimes I changed this for AWU V.

Then I sorted for highest SP first, checked everyday for a week and then all of a sudden I saw the really good deal that's now my dread alt in training.
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