For those who does not know, "Crazy" means we don't follow a streamlined flow of the fleet where FC controls everything. Instead, we have quite a big freedom of actions: many scouts who look on content where they want, free comms (with respect/preference/priority to scouts). As FC I still control many things, but expectations to pilots here are a bit higher than usual.
Kudos to all, the biggest to logies: gaheris Anninen and Senmori Askold you guys stayed alive and kept us alive SO LONG!!!
Kudos to bomber pilots: your bombs just rocked! Pontifex, Deacon - even though we did not kill them it was nice to watch how bombs work. We need to learn to coordinate better, but as for the first go that was great!
That fight in B-9C24 was the hit of the day: even though we killed less than 300M ISK, that was exactly type of fight I wanted us to practice at.
Kudos to PwnOhSaurusRex from Goonswarm for accepting a fleet fight. He was generous enough to not primary myself, but in a heat of the battle, I guess they picked whoever was closer. And barely killed me. And Pandemic Horde 3rd partied the fight...
We eventually pushed Goonswarm guys from the grid, and in turn needed to retreat when PH undocked their QRF.
Thanks to Jyo and Z0x: I guess 2 scouts are enough if we go to nul-sec even in the "crazy" format...
Thanks to all for pieces of advice on avoiding that Nidhoggur and finding content. At some point we barely fall-back to Black Rise, but I'm happy we made our way into 7RM
// Reference to the fleet announcement: https://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtop ... 6&t=106935
Ok, let's go through some details.
Form-up.
We got 2 logies Senmori Askold and gaheris Anninen . Please do remind who was that as now I owe him a Kirin
We also got 2 scouts: Jyo and Z0X, Soul Vapor in a dictor (Flycatcher), 3 bombers (Arashi, Gerrath, and Space).
During form-up we also had EWar (Griffin), but don't see him on kills...
The rest DDs in Harpies (shield buffer), Enyo (self.rep), Slicer, Garmur.
Roam members (20)
Spoiler
Arashi Shizukana
Beavis Alland
Budda Sereda
Ca'ain
Calder Ormand
Dark Matter1972
Farzol Nassan
Gerrath Sabrinn
Jyo Cbip
Lucius Septimus Severus
Rasterous
Senmori Askold
Soul Vapor
Space Warfare Development
Trevor Grambling
Tsuwen Sun
Will Musana
Wokum
Z0X Ambrye
gaheris Anninen
After undock we moved into NSC to pick-up 1 pilot and moved towards FD- and ice belts that were nearby. It looks like a quite dead space. But we were lucky to catch a Hecate. It was interesting to bait him. Scouts reported neutrals, I asked if there is a bubble on the out gate, they told "yes". I needed vanguard, cold for it, but as this was "Crazy" fleet I decided, why asking for help and moved ahead.
I simulated 'stupid' warp to the gate, was pulled into the bubble and in few seconds a Hecate landed on me. I made mistake and let him scram me... but we killed him quick enough. And bubble too, because why not?
(02:49:31Z) PF-346
Hecate +75.86m
Mobile Small Warp Disruptor I +0.97m
Placid.
Later we moved towards 7RM, and spotted a DST jumping into Maut from HS, we tried to catch him... but he still ran away and we gave up in Mercomesier where he presumable docked and logged off.
Scouts found some content in Mercomesier-Athounon pocket, but those folks had set of pickets and we only caught Caracal, the rest ran away as soon as fleet went into a system.
(03:09:38Z) Mercomesier
Caracal +21.72m
Capsule +0.01m
Whole way through low-sec our very own Soul Vapor wanted to bubble the gate and swearing how he "likes" the low-sec Ok, he got his chance later
Pure Blind.
We moved towards 7RM as planned, but same as last time (see Crazy 8's #3: https://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtop ... 6&t=106877), where not able to reach it from the first go. First, we decided to check ratters in a pocket near the RQH, spotted quite a few ships on dscan, but there were pickets: pretty much each gate has a citadel 1000km off with something sitting tethered. Quite a few VNIs docked up as soon as scouts enterred the system.
But, scouts know their duties and Z0X found and caught a Rattlesnake which for some reason did not listen to his corp-mates. Guys, be in fleet and comms when ratting:
(03:31:07Z) HPS5-C
Rattlesnake +830.97m
Capsule +561.06m
In the middle of the fight, I was asked if that's a time to drop a bubble and called to hold. I wanted to postpone bubble till the moment when we almost broke an RS so we could disengage on our own if needed.
It was a small response fleet in a form of few faction BS here and there, we would be able to shoot and kill it, but I got impression we got a cool loot so commanded to move into low-sec to secure it. 200M ISK, not too bad, but TBH, we should have taken fight. We could secure the loot by just dropping it in a container somewhere in safe BM.
This guys was caught on the gate:
(03:41:08Z) Mantenault
Procurer +24.45m
I wanted to come back to Pure Blind and tickle PH in their home, but was scouts reported about Nidhoggur sitting 2000km from the gate, updated about his capabilities to instalock up-to 9 targets... so I decided to not take the risk and we moved back into Placid.
Again Low-sec.
I was lost on some information I received from scout and he was killed while we were 2 jumps away.
(03:50:14Z) Vlillirier
Malediction -53.27m
It was almost 2 hours and I asked to 'c'-up if you want to continue:
I did not know any content-rich place near by and wanted to look into FW space, so asked to l-up if you ok with low-sec. Answer was:[ 2017.10.29 03:54:14 ] Tsuwen Sun > c
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:14 ] Wokum > c
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:15 ] Lucius Septimus Severus > c
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:15 ] Z0X Ambrye > c
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:15 ] Senmori Askold > c
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:15 ] Calder Ormand > c
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:16 ] Gerrath Sabrinn > C!
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:16 ] Trevor Grambling > c
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:17 ] Beavis Alland > c
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:17 ] Jyo Cbip > c
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:18 ] Soul Vapor > c
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:18 ] gaheris Anninen > c
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:18 ] Arashi Shizukana > c
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:21 ] Will Musana > c
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:21 ] Space Warfare Development > C
You guess what that means...[ 2017.10.29 03:54:24 ] Senmori Askold > n
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:24 ] Beavis Alland > n
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:25 ] Farzol Nassan > N
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:25 ] Will Musana > n
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:25 ] Soul Vapor > n
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:25 ] Tsuwen Sun > n
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:25 ] Trevor Grambling > N
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:26 ] Arashi Shizukana > k
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:26 ] Gerrath Sabrinn > N!!!!
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:27 ] Wokum > n
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:28 ] Calder Ormand > n
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:31 ] gaheris Anninen > n
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:33 ] Gerrath Sabrinn > Big fat N!
[ 2017.10.29 03:54:55 ] Gerrath Sabrinn > I wanna bomb something!
Cloud Ring and Fade.
Cloud Ring was just a few jumps away, unfortunately, we moved through it, trying to catch a Tengu, but could not He was cloaky and I assume nullified, but we tried
But... with all this we get close to Pure Blind from the other side... So, Fleet, set desto to 7RM
Fight with Goonswarm and Pandemic Horde.
In B-9 I did my 2nd mistake. The first one was to let Hecate scram me. That time I was saved by fleet and logies, this time I was punished for carelessness.
Scouts were scouting side pockets and in best traditions of "Crazy" fleets, I went to scout ahead of us. What I've noticed was is a chatter in local and I offered them a fight. We started discussing details, and at some point I saw a Caracal on the gate, he engaged me, I landed a point and called fleet to join the party, the only problem they were quite a bit far from me, and I wanted to preserve the point... maybe I should not... because it was not either ISK nor point positive.
(04:38:50Z) B-9C24
Harpy -50.28m
Caracal +35.53m
Capsule +0.01m
I got in a chat with PwnOhSaurusRex and he confirmed they will give us a fight in a kitchen sink fleet. We agreed to fight in F-NMX6.
gaheris Anninen needed to drop a fleet so he landed me his Kirin. As I ended up a logy I asked somebody to take FCing from here. Nobody was really excited about this, so Tsuro offered to jump into a Kirin and I got his Harpy.
Capsule -6.28m - not sure if that should be + or -
While we were waiting for the fight, scouts spotted VNI. I was hesitant engaging it as I thought that's PwnOhSaurusRex's fleet member and I wanted to honor the agreement and not fight until we both ready. Unfortunately, that VNI was not related to our opponents and just distracted me. While scouts streamed me intel, Soul (in a dictor) somehow appeared to be on the gate, our friends jumped into him and killed.
(04:46:12Z) B-9C24, J103839
Flycatcher -101.49m
Nemesis -86.02m
Capsule -0.01m
@Soul and Space: I'm curious how did you guys appear to be on the gate while the whole fleet was 40AU off? I guess you planned to keep fleet on the gate so we hammer them? That was a "Crazy" fleet, so that was your call, but ... please you should have fleet's support if you going to engage superior forces.
Opponents had Deacon, Pontifex, Heretic, and 7-8 Confessors.
It was an exciting fight, and I'm proud we execute it well by losing NOBODY during the engagement. Yes, I do not consider 2 recent loses as an engagement. TBH, I would expect opponents not even kill them as we planned to fight in F-NMX6 and they should have waited for us in that system... but we also need to be more cautious.
- we did land at range from the gate, out of bubble
- primaried a single logy (could not break him... really? Later I learned why)
- tried to switch primary
- stayed out of scram range
- disengaged while taking heavy damage
- bombed opponent to push through the edge
- loaded ammo as per engagement range
Though, for me, that was pretty much first kiting experience in nul-sec, same about having bombers as a super-weapon.
What I and some/many of us could do better in this fight:
1. Realize quicket that opponent are AB fit, with this we could come MUCH closer than we did (and prevent opponents from disengaging so easily). Though, they did have an MWD Heretic.
2. Call for point and secondary point on primaries.
3. Better coordinate bombs drop. Ok, we did learn quickly how to do that, but only after the 1st bomb drop.
4. Think what could be probably Deacon, Confessor, Pontifex, Heretic resists. For Amarr T2 that are Thermal (often plugged) and Kinetic. My default ammo type preference is Thermal, would work well today.
Here is a recording from my view of the part of the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in7FFCL ... e=youtu.be
As you can see, quite a while we could not break anything. I could not understand why Deacon is tanking so well.
From Confessor's kill after the fight, I learned we fought RR Confessors, where 6 of them essentially work as 2 more Deacons. We could try breaking 1 of confessors or dictor/boosher by making hard switch, but because we were spread out that did not work well. May be I should have called to anchor up on me... and try primaries hard-switch?
Thing started changing once we dropped one bomb, and later another.
Plus Horde's guys joined fight... so Goonswarm armor gang left leaving one confessor. We killed quite a few ships from Horde, cleared the field completely, and loot the field. Hurray!!!
(05:02:43Z) B-9C24, F-NMX6
Confessor +100.58m
Myrmidon +91.09m
Dragoon +9.59m
Rupture +36.73m
Capsule +0.01m
Capsule +0.01m
Coercer +6.69m
Capsule +0.01m
Thorax +32.54m
In 5-10 minutes they cam back in much bigger number and either we were more relaxed and careless or whatever but we quickly lost few ships and I call it a fight (not sure if that's a proper English idiom). I'm interested to hear from those who remember more details.
(05:18:02Z) B-9C24
Omen +33.45m
Capsule +0.01m
Garmur -85.02m
Kirin -48.16m
Capsule -20.48m
Capsule -0.01m
On the way back we found a Bhaalgorn. I can spend 30 more minutes describing the way we fought it, it was AWESOME fight and confirmation to that was 3-4 guys who screemed "YEAYYY!!" when he poped
I will only say Bhaal did escape from us once
(05:38:53Z) RQH-MY
Kirin -70.45m
Enyo -50.87m
Bhaalgorn +521.28m
Later we were given a master class on kiting by https://zkillboard.com/character/95235307/:
(05:59:56Z) RQH-MY, Alamel
Taranis -43.42m
Purifier -112.72m
And you caught a Catalyst on the gate
Catalyst +12.09m
... but paied a Slicer to gate guns...
Imperial Navy Slicer -54.42m
After the fleet was over, Jyo who stayed thirsty killed a Retriever, but tool pulled his kill mail, so be it
(06:48:32Z) Iges
Retriever +31.81m
Capsule +0.01m
ISK Destroyed: 2,427,267,688.82
ISK Lost: 782,902,196.33
ISK Delta: 1,644,365,492.49
Efficiency: 75.612%
Overall, great fleet, food for thoughts before the next fleet:
1. Bombers did make a day, so I will need to have 20-30% of them in a fleet. Train them guys, and learn how to fly: they are just awesome!
2. Fits: guys, please never, NEVER EVER, undock if you have a spare module or rig slot. Ask FC if you can't find what you need: we better wait few more minutes than lack something.
3. Fleet fits: at least some do need tuning.
Feedback.
Please share your feedback: https://goo.gl/forms/W6OTiwPMD2Lu1lmL2 and hope to see all of you in the next fleet (12th of November, 2:00 EVE time).
P.S. Extra SRP were payed to Dictor and logy