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Late night frigate roam

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With nothing currently happing in W-space I decided to take a wormhole near Amy and see if any of my
friends in the UNI wanted to go for a frigate roam. I chose frigates because of low cost and I was in need
of some experience maneuvering a group of them around. We left Amy with a variable assortment of
ships including EWAR. We made a direct line for Stacmon to pick up a few more recruits and began
warping gates to the dreaded but always active Blackrise. Our scout Kontchesi spotted a Succubus
guarding a venture. She engaged and we jumped gate and warped to her. She hit hull just as our jams
hit the succubus and she escaped without losing her ship. Scrams, Webs, and Neuts made short work of
the Succubus. The Kill was about 250mil which meant we could lose the whole fleet twice and still be isk
positive. Having had our confidence boosted we continued on through Blackrise. We found a corax and
2 tristans in a small outpost and decided that we would try it. They were about 80 off the gate when we
slid in and the corax picked off out ewar as we approached it. We managed to kill the destroyer but died
to the tristans. We then reshipped and went back to hunting. Budda joined us as Konchesi left and
engaged a malediction. We warped to budda but as always it was a trap. A firetail and a cynabal showed
up on grid and we lost a Taranis and a bomber in the next few skirmishes with those 3. At this point it
was getting rather late so I called the fleet and started on home.

Kills. 257mil

https://zkillboard.com/kill/64196441/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/64196566/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/64196660/

Losses.190mil

https://zkillboard.com/kill/64196643/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/64196646/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/64196658/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/64196664/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/64196674/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/64196936/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/64197127/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/64197133/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/64197137/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/64196578/
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Re: Late night frigate roam

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I think the Succubus is the juiciest thing I've caught as a scout to date. :) I'm glad he goofed and held off on really shooting me until he saw Marn's Griffin of Doom on D-scan.

(Also thanks for writing this so I can get scout credit. I don't want to scout more often than I have to, as it bloodies up my killboard. :p Xana tricked me into doing it for free last night. >.> )
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Kontxesi Buchanan wrote:I think the Succubus is the juiciest thing I've caught as a scout to date. :) I'm glad he goofed and held off on really shooting me until he saw Marn's Griffin of Doom on D-scan.

(Also thanks for writing this so I can get scout credit. I don't want to scout more often than I have to, as it bloodies up my killboard. :p Xana tricked me into doing it for free last night. >.> )
Why do you care about the killboard color?
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2 things I do want to add:

1. You started FCing, at some point you will need 1-2 fleet members to switch to another ship (logy, scout, CD, probber). You will need people to change from something they already bought into something you need. You expect they will help, I would recommend you do same to help other FCs. And killboard color should be acceptable the last thing which should bother you. At least until you get a hundred of solo kills and few thousand in total. At that point you should probably start being concerned about efficiency. For now, blow up and be blown to have fun!

2. Scout is probably the most interesting role. And probably the hardest. Master it and every FC will love!
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I care about killboard color because I do. I don't like to die, I like to win. Red is dying, green is winning. I like green.

And yes, scouting IS hard, hence my distaste for it at this point. I'm not as good at it as I want to be, and so it stresses me out to do it. It is something that everyone should be learning how to do anyway, so it shouldn't fall to one person to do it in every fleet they are in. I don't think it's wrong for me to want to do other things when I can.
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I feel sorry this is going out of AAR scope, but I do believe this is something important to be discussed.
Kontxesi Buchanan wrote:I care about killboard color because I do. I don't like to die, I like to win. Red is dying, green is winning. I like green.

And yes, scouting IS hard, hence my distaste for it at this point. I'm not as good at it as I want to be, and so it stresses me out to do it. It is something that everyone should be learning how to do anyway, so it shouldn't fall to one person to do it in every fleet they are in. I don't think it's wrong for me to want to do other things when I can.
I hear and respect 2nd concern.

I also hear 1st concern. I don't like dying either, I don't like losing ships in a stupid way. I do like winning fights. And it is fine when you not going to fly any particular role because you don't know how to fly it, don't have confidence, or just dislike.

But one thing is to avoid the fight you can't win. Another is to be concerned that the killboard displays red lines. If this was a concern than a proper logy pilot would have a completely red board (because they are not supposed to have combat drones and hence won't have kills at all). And then we would not have logies at all...

Yeah, the killboard probably indicates how cool the pilot is. But for me, coolness is indicated not by percentage of green or red on the dangerous or snuffy bar: it can be easily kept high by flying MANY fleets in a DD role and doing pretty simple things. You go to Providence on a roaming with experienced FC and each time you will get with 10-20 kills and maybe a single loss. That's one of the easy ways to keep the dangerous level high. But this is will not demonstrate coolness of the pilot.

What matters for me, is the number of solo kills. Good example is here: https://zkillboard.com/character/768915824/
69% is relatively modest level, but OMG how good Kelon is.

The opposing examples are many corporations that declare wars and "fight" in HS: they usually organize big gangs and hunt small inexperienced pilots. They have green killboards and avoid taking any fights when they don't have 95% confidence of winning. Nobody respects them, yet their killboards are pretty much green.

That's my IMHO, hope this makes sense.
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Kontxesi Buchanan wrote:I care about killboard color because I do. I don't like to die, I like to win. Red is dying, green is winning. I like green.

And yes, scouting IS hard, hence my distaste for it at this point. I'm not as good at it as I want to be, and so it stresses me out to do it. It is something that everyone should be learning how to do anyway, so it shouldn't fall to one person to do it in every fleet they are in. I don't think it's wrong for me to want to do other things when I can.
If it helps any I felt you did an excellent job as scout. It was always clear to me anyway what we were getting into, what we needed to watch out for, and what the relative risk of the situation we were diving into was. You scan stuff down hella fast which I know I could NEVER do.

All in all - don't beat yourself up, it may stress you out but you're good at it.
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For my part, I felt that I might finally be getting the hang of scrap/web attack. On the first two attacks I got both top % damage on the target and survived. That super fast fit I was using might be my new favorite. Those two ships spent most of their time scrammed/webbed by me (one or the other or both). To me that was pretty awesome. I frequently spend all my time on fleets trying to catch them up after losing my ship in the first round. :) I suspect my survival time was significantly enhanced by the ewar too. I've wondered why we don't use ewar and "small logi" more often. There seem to be cheap alternatives for that that would make things interesting for this kind of fleet.

I know it's frustrating for those waiting, but a few extra minutes in station after a large engagement where multiple people lose ships could be way less stressful for those of us trying to catch the fleet up. I literally spent about 1/4 the fleet time 1 minute behind the fleet trying to catch up.
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Oh and I learned a valuable lesson about gate guns. :)
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I'm not so invested in my killboard that I avoid fights, by any means. To the contrary: when I got into the FCC, my main goal (besides making more content for the USTZ folks) was to dive into the fights that I felt other FCS were steering clear of. I understand the hesitance to welp a fleet of newbros and discourage them. But I think it's more discouraging to fly around for two hours and only engage once or twice. I promised everyone in my first fleet that they would die glorious deaths.

But all I was really saying was that I die WAY more often as a scout than as anything else. I'd spent a decent amount of time getting kills to push a rash of losses off my front page, then last night I lost 3 ships in 30 minutes. I completely understand that many people don't care about their boards, and I don't judge people on them. Not too harshly at least. I just care about mine. It's a competitive thing that keeps me going out.


And thanks, Junmei. I feel like I scan things down so much more slowly than other people, but I think I'm comparing myself to people like Glen who can smell fights.
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red is an ugly color tbh
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Xana McBash wrote:red is an ugly color tbh
We can change CSS for euni killboard and enjoy another color :)

@Kotxesi: I don't judge, and apologize if any of my words look like I do. Only sharing my opinion.

And I'm also a very competitive person. :)
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