2020.12.01 00:52
[AAR] Saturday's French Kitties 28/11/2020
Preface: This was the night of the pseudo-blackout. Chats were crazy, with local only updating when it felt like it. I tried to get as much information back from my chatlogs and zkillboard, but I may have missed a few names. If I missed yours, please send me a message, or reply to this post and I'll fix that 
Roam members
So, let's start this AAR. This was my first official fleet as a Junior FC, and if it didn't go as well as I hoped, it clearly went better than how I was afraid it would be
A huge thanks to all of you guys who joined this and bared with my inexperience, without even sounding frustrated! And big props to our newbros Dr Richard Head, Kathryn Ivanova, Martine DeVu, SuchSkill, those pilots have been in one of their very first PVP fleets, good job, guys! ( Also I hope this won't be your last one and if it is I swear it's Nienke's fault )
Into the actual things that happened:
After the newbros speech, we started to roam in destination of Nennamaila. A whole lot of nothing happened until our scout finds a Dramiel. Although someone mentioned that we would probably not be able to catch it, I decided to give a try anyway but without any surprise, it was far to fast for us to be in scram range. We left without losses but with some appetite.
A few jumps later (
Note for next time: remember to record the fleet so that you can actually say where the actual things that happened actually happened ), our scout spotted a couple of industrials ( an occator and something else maybe? Can't remember exactly... ). Since we didn't had anything better yet, I asked the scout to try and find them, and a few minutes later, I "volunteered" someone to help them, since our scout was struggling. Turned out that they were hiding in a force field, but more interestingly, a few flashy punishers were spotted on our in gate. Before the scouts were able to close on them, they jumped into our fleet waiting on the other side. We engaged, but they were able to crash the gate and escape us. Obviously, with our weapons timer, we couldn't go after them.
So that we can finish with honours, I brought the fleet in Valhalla. It was busy, even with all the technical issues of that evening. Hero scout found an Hyperion in a large plex, and went for the scram. Nothing better to end the night. I called the Hyperion primary ( after someone asked, cos that's how efficient I am ), and asked for a close orbit to stay under its weapons. We almost put it into hull before our DPS was too low, reps caught hard, and kittens stopped purring...
Tristan -1.12m
Tristan -1.09m
Capsule -10k
Tristan -1.14m
Tristan -4.05m
Tristan -1.11m
Tristan -7.25m
Tristan -1.09m
Tristan -1.13m
Tristan -1.07m
Tristan -1.12m
Tristan -1.14m
Tristan -1.12m
Tristan -1.14m
Stats
ISK Destroyed: 0
ISK Lost: 23.57M
ISK Delta: -23.57M
Efficiency: 0%
So that's all for the admin part. Now for the feeling and learning stuff. Facts might not happen here. Also probably some yelling. At myself only. (And Nienke, because we need to blame Nienke. And Mike. Because Mike. )
1) New Horizons
So I am someone who gets stressed easily. Especially when I'm doing something I'm not comfortable with, and if there's something I'm DEFINITELY NOT comfortable with, it's talking to people I don't know much. The funny thing is that when I start panicking, I loose about a 100 points of IQ (No, Mike, still not negative. Uhm? Yes Mike, not far off a dead oyster).
So when you put that with 20+ people attending the fleet, a zest of glitches just bad enough to make me loose the bit of confidence I had mustered (it took me something like 5 minutes of me clicking like a LoL player on this Channel Settings button to be able to update that freaking MotD... AND THEN I FORGOT TO PUT THE SCOUTS ON SO I HAD TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN!!!), but just subtle enough that I don't realise that the game was about to get buggy as hell, well, things go bad. I couldn't find my words, probably didn't speak loud enough, gave information in a weird order, forgot some stuff.
2) The Kitties
I had the 4 different Tristan fits available on contract. I spent the week wondering if I had ordered enough ( 10 of each ), how I would distribute them between the fleet, and why I did not order some more in a reshipping station near Black Rise. So much that 2 hours before the fleet, I actually took an Iteron from Jita, bought 15 fits, managed to put 5 in my cargo, and flew to Archavoinet to put them there. But then I realised just before entering Orvolle that one of the gates on my way had started being camped 10 minutes earlier... So these tristans are now in my hangar in Amy But no reshipping... Now I have a better idea (not that hard to be fair) of what kind of comp I want, so...
3) En route!
Things started well. So I was off the game for a few months, and all these Edencomm stuff are new to me. And since I spend most of my time in WHC ( and thus don't have a lot of occasions to think about these things ), I didn't think that some people could have had bad standings with Edencomm or the Trigs. I knew about it, in theory, but it took me far too long to realise that I was potentially putting some people in danger... Luckily, Biwako was the only one who had a negative standing with the Trigs, and apparently everyone was ok with Edencomm. At this point, we started to realise that something was wrong with the game, when our scout announced that there were 40+ people in Oueletta, mostly Unistas...
4) Don't panic! ( And carry a towel )
So by now, we knew that local passed away and that even the fleet chat didn't want to be part of the fleet. Even if I knew that I had newbros with me, it felt like I had 20 vets ready to slap the back of my neck, with the image of Nienke facepalming at each of my commands. I was going too slowly, mostly because I was second-guessing every ounce of air coming out of my mouth, except when it was a good idea to do so.
Nevertheless, and although I should have talked more and there was a lot of hesitation from me at some moments ( like when we were waiting for these industrials, I have waited far too long for that ), I was excepting to already be completely silent at this point. Again, I'm terrible at talking. The worst is that chats are usually where I shine. But I couldn't focus on the chat during the form up, and now the chats were dead...
5) Ready to Rumble
So we had basically 3 different engagements during this roam:
-First, the Dramiel. Not too much to say about it. I probably tried too hard to catch it and could have give up earlier. I had point on it at some... point, and I could have used a kill to boost everyone's morale ( and mostly mine ). And after giving up, for some reasons I was waiting for everyone to regroup on me before warping the fleet rather than just... You know... Warping the fleet out... Oyster IQ FTW, yaay...
-The punishers ( and a breacher ). So this is the one I'm the most disappointed about. The scout tells us they're jumping towards us, the gate flashes, and instead of trying to think calmly, oyster brain goes "Catch everything!! Get me anything!" followed by "Alexei is primary!!" which makes all the sense... And obviously, since the punisher each had one more functioning brain than I had, they didn't aggress and crashed back to the gate. We couldn't follow and killed nothing.
I should have gone for a clear primary to at least get something, and/or having an actual plan, a way to make them aggress somehow, probably using the scouts I had on the other side.
[EDIT] As mentioned below, I ordered to jump after the punishers (wormholer here who forgot weapons timer is a thing), and failed to ask people to take their drones back. Bad mistake.
- Lastly, the battleships. Honest trailer: I came in Tama to kill us in a ball of fire We needed a proper fight, and we were about to have it! Scout finds the battleships, I vaguely know the Armageddon is drone, but I'm less familiar with the Hyperion, so I choose to make us orbit close to the Hyperion to avoid its weapons. In retrospective, I think that was the good call. But that's all oysterman was able to do. Because you know what could have been a good thing to do with these nice damp Tristans? Yep, asking them to load a scan res script... Well, looking at the killmails, the 2 damps I can see had the scan res script loaded. Good job, guys! I'm glad you were better at thinking than I was
So while people were dying, I was only paying attention to the Hyperion's life. Because you know, you need to be very focused on your weapons when you fly a Tristan. Which is, with the fact that fleet chat kept the killmails for itself, why I didn't see that we were loosing numbers fast. Maybe, if had seen it, I would have called for the defanging of the Armaggeddon. Or maybe not, who knows? The topic was mentioned earlier today in a discord channel, and so it may not have been a good idea anyway. Not quite sure of what the better call was here. One goodish thing is that I (think I have) talked non-stop during this fight, even if was mainly repeating the order to orbit close some useful "Come, keep going, we're getting close! " ( Like, yeah, thanks Fc, I'm gonna overheat my drones or something ).
So at the end, we all die with a smile, because that was actually a good ending! Or so I hope :p ( AND WE WERE SO CLOSE!!! ( of putting it into hull. Which is cool enough)).
So to sum things up:
Roam members
- SPOILER WARNING!
Gaelys Aarmenvar
Royce007
Luc Arbosa
Otto Shultz
SuchSkill
Anidien Dallacort
Martine DeVu
Iris Ayanami
OhLawd Hecoming
mneploho
CachorroPR
Assier Annages
Floon Blagmaar
Biwako Acami
Akachi Isimazu
Casimir 1981
skippy Kanjus
Woody Lo
Casimir 1981
Dr Richard Head
Kathryn Ivanova
Martine DeVu
Hikari Tatsu
So, let's start this AAR. This was my first official fleet as a Junior FC, and if it didn't go as well as I hoped, it clearly went better than how I was afraid it would be
A huge thanks to all of you guys who joined this and bared with my inexperience, without even sounding frustrated! And big props to our newbros Dr Richard Head, Kathryn Ivanova, Martine DeVu, SuchSkill, those pilots have been in one of their very first PVP fleets, good job, guys! ( Also I hope this won't be your last one and if it is I swear it's Nienke's fault )
Into the actual things that happened:
I)THE ACTUAL THINGS THAT HAPPENED
After the newbros speech, we started to roam in destination of Nennamaila. A whole lot of nothing happened until our scout finds a Dramiel. Although someone mentioned that we would probably not be able to catch it, I decided to give a try anyway but without any surprise, it was far to fast for us to be in scram range. We left without losses but with some appetite.
A few jumps later (
Note for next time: remember to record the fleet so that you can actually say where the actual things that happened actually happened ), our scout spotted a couple of industrials ( an occator and something else maybe? Can't remember exactly... ). Since we didn't had anything better yet, I asked the scout to try and find them, and a few minutes later, I "volunteered" someone to help them, since our scout was struggling. Turned out that they were hiding in a force field, but more interestingly, a few flashy punishers were spotted on our in gate. Before the scouts were able to close on them, they jumped into our fleet waiting on the other side. We engaged, but they were able to crash the gate and escape us. Obviously, with our weapons timer, we couldn't go after them.So that we can finish with honours, I brought the fleet in Valhalla. It was busy, even with all the technical issues of that evening. Hero scout found an Hyperion in a large plex, and went for the scram. Nothing better to end the night. I called the Hyperion primary ( after someone asked, cos that's how efficient I am
), and asked for a close orbit to stay under its weapons. We almost put it into hull before our DPS was too low, reps caught hard, and kittens stopped purring... Tristan -1.12m
Tristan -1.09m
Capsule -10k
Tristan -1.14m
Tristan -4.05m
Tristan -1.11m
Tristan -7.25m
Tristan -1.09m
Tristan -1.13m
Tristan -1.07m
Tristan -1.12m
Tristan -1.14m
Tristan -1.12m
Tristan -1.14m
Stats
ISK Destroyed: 0
ISK Lost: 23.57M
ISK Delta: -23.57M
Efficiency: 0%
So that's all for the admin part. Now for the feeling and learning stuff. Facts might not happen here. Also probably some yelling. At myself only. (And Nienke, because we need to blame Nienke. And Mike. Because Mike. )
II) THE FEELING AND LEARNING STUFF
1) New Horizons
So I am someone who gets stressed easily. Especially when I'm doing something I'm not comfortable with, and if there's something I'm DEFINITELY NOT comfortable with, it's talking to people I don't know much. The funny thing is that when I start panicking, I loose about a 100 points of IQ (No, Mike, still not negative. Uhm? Yes Mike, not far off a dead oyster).
So when you put that with 20+ people attending the fleet, a zest of glitches just bad enough to make me loose the bit of confidence I had mustered (it took me something like 5 minutes of me clicking like a LoL player on this Channel Settings button to be able to update that freaking MotD... AND THEN I FORGOT TO PUT THE SCOUTS ON SO I HAD TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN!!!), but just subtle enough that I don't realise that the game was about to get buggy as hell, well, things go bad. I couldn't find my words, probably didn't speak loud enough, gave information in a weird order, forgot some stuff.
Next time:
- make a list of things you want to say during your newbros speech!
- make a list of things you want to say during your newbros speech!
2) The Kitties
I had the 4 different Tristan fits available on contract. I spent the week wondering if I had ordered enough ( 10 of each ), how I would distribute them between the fleet, and why I did not order some more in a reshipping station near Black Rise. So much that 2 hours before the fleet, I actually took an Iteron from Jita, bought 15 fits, managed to put 5 in my cargo, and flew to Archavoinet to put them there. But then I realised just before entering Orvolle that one of the gates on my way had started being camped 10 minutes earlier... So these tristans are now in my hangar in Amy
But no reshipping... Now I have a better idea (not that hard to be fair) of what kind of comp I want, so...Next time:
- Order some reshipping, these ships don't cost anything, so don't be shy! Also, tell people which fits you want over the others.
- Also don't forget to ask your scouts to have either a scram or a point...
- Order some reshipping, these ships don't cost anything, so don't be shy! Also, tell people which fits you want over the others.
- Also don't forget to ask your scouts to have either a scram or a point...
3) En route!
Things started well. So I was off the game for a few months, and all these Edencomm stuff are new to me. And since I spend most of my time in WHC ( and thus don't have a lot of occasions to think about these things ), I didn't think that some people could have had bad standings with Edencomm or the Trigs. I knew about it, in theory, but it took me far too long to realise that I was potentially putting some people in danger... Luckily, Biwako was the only one who had a negative standing with the Trigs, and apparently everyone was ok with Edencomm. At this point, we started to realise that something was wrong with the game, when our scout announced that there were 40+ people in Oueletta, mostly Unistas...
Next time:
- make your homework and learn about what's going on in K-space!
- make your homework and learn about what's going on in K-space!
4) Don't panic! ( And carry a towel )
So by now, we knew that local passed away and that even the fleet chat didn't want to be part of the fleet. Even if I knew that I had newbros with me, it felt like I had 20 vets ready to slap the back of my neck, with the image of Nienke facepalming at each of my commands. I was going too slowly, mostly because I was second-guessing every ounce of air coming out of my mouth, except when it was a good idea to do so.
Nevertheless, and although I should have talked more and there was a lot of hesitation from me at some moments ( like when we were waiting for these industrials, I have waited far too long for that ), I was excepting to already be completely silent at this point. Again, I'm terrible at talking. The worst is that chats are usually where I shine. But I couldn't focus on the chat during the form up, and now the chats were dead...
Next time:
-Well, this one is a me thing, it will get better once I get a few fleets under my belt.
-Well, this one is a me thing, it will get better once I get a few fleets under my belt.
5) Ready to Rumble
So we had basically 3 different engagements during this roam:
-First, the Dramiel. Not too much to say about it. I probably tried too hard to catch it and could have give up earlier. I had point on it at some... point, and I could have used a kill to boost everyone's morale ( and mostly mine
). And after giving up, for some reasons I was waiting for everyone to regroup on me before warping the fleet rather than just... You know... Warping the fleet out... Oyster IQ FTW, yaay...-The punishers ( and a breacher ). So this is the one I'm the most disappointed about. The scout tells us they're jumping towards us, the gate flashes, and instead of trying to think calmly, oyster brain goes "Catch everything!! Get me anything!" followed by "Alexei is primary!!" which makes all the sense... And obviously, since the punisher each had one more functioning brain than I had, they didn't aggress and crashed back to the gate. We couldn't follow and killed nothing.
I should have gone for a clear primary to at least get something, and/or having an actual plan, a way to make them aggress somehow, probably using the scouts I had on the other side.
[EDIT] As mentioned below, I ordered to jump after the punishers (wormholer here who forgot weapons timer is a thing), and failed to ask people to take their drones back. Bad mistake.
- Lastly, the battleships. Honest trailer: I came in Tama to kill us in a ball of fire
We needed a proper fight, and we were about to have it! Scout finds the battleships, I vaguely know the Armageddon is drone, but I'm less familiar with the Hyperion, so I choose to make us orbit close to the Hyperion to avoid its weapons. In retrospective, I think that was the good call. But that's all oysterman was able to do. Because you know what could have been a good thing to do with these nice damp Tristans? Yep, asking them to load a scan res script... Well, looking at the killmails, the 2 damps I can see had the scan res script loaded. Good job, guys! I'm glad you were better at thinking than I was So while people were dying, I was only paying attention to the Hyperion's life. Because you know, you need to be very focused on your weapons when you fly a Tristan. Which is, with the fact that fleet chat kept the killmails for itself, why I didn't see that we were loosing numbers fast. Maybe, if had seen it, I would have called for the defanging of the Armaggeddon. Or maybe not, who knows? The topic was mentioned earlier today in a discord channel, and so it may not have been a good idea anyway. Not quite sure of what the better call was here. One goodish thing is that I (think I have) talked non-stop during this fight, even if was mainly repeating the order to orbit close some useful "Come, keep going, we're getting close! " ( Like, yeah, thanks Fc, I'm gonna overheat my drones or something ).
So at the end, we all die with a smile, because that was actually a good ending! Or so I hope :p ( AND WE WERE SO CLOSE!!! ( of putting it into hull. Which is cool enough)).
So to sum things up:
III) TL;DR: THE SUMMING UP OF ALL THE THINGS
- ✔ (Positive stuff)
- That lasted almost 2 hours and felt like 10 minutes. ( At least for me and one other guy who said that
). ( And I have a written proof that at least one person thought that was cool! ) (or maybe they were talking about another fleet xD)- Next time can only be better
- Next time WILL be better
✘ (Negative stuff)
- I should have talked more, and go faster
- Need to relax and stop using the oyster mode
- Need more planning. Like real planning.
- Almost left our drones behind during the punishers fight
Last edited by Gaelys Aarmenvar on 2020.12.01 10:45, edited 3 times in total.
Junior FC
) was the right thing to do. Even I who was staying super aware of the situation didn't realize how quickly we were dropping and as we discussed earlier in discord, we really didn't have much of a chance against those drones. I think fleet chat was definitely to blame.
