Odyssey Skill Changes and You

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Post 2013.03.26 19:33

Odyssey Skill Changes and You

As you've probably noticed, the summer expansion Odyssey is coming on June 4th and is bringing with it some ship skill changes. I'm seeing a lot of confusion and misinformation around this, so here's what you need to know.

If you are at least two months old and have at least 4M SP, then before Odyssey occurs, you should:

  • train all Racial Frigate skills to IV
  • train Destroyers V
  • train all Racial Cruiser skills to III
  • train Battlecruisers V
  • if you want to fly Command Ships:
    • inject the Command Ships skill
    • don't bother training Logistics IV or Heavy Assault Ships IV (the current requirements for flying Command Ships)
  • UPGRADE YOUR CLONE before you undock for the first time post-Odyssey. Because of the skill changes (see below), you may be acquiring additional SP when the Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills are split up, which means that your clone may suddenly have more skill points than you expected. If you undock and are later podded, and your medical clone is not sufficiently upgraded, you'll lose the bonus SP you just got!. Be aware that you can get up to 6.2 Million SP, so plan your clone accordingly.

For an unremapped, no-implants, zero-skills character, it will take the following amount of time to train each block of skills (rounding up to the nearest day to be conservative):

  • +9d to train all the <Racial> Frigate skills to IV
  • +12d to train Destroyers V
  • +4d to train all the <Racial> Cruiser skills to III
  • +36d to train Battlecruisers V (includes Spaceship Command IV)
  • +17d to train Command Ships I (includes Warfare Link Specialist IV, Leadership V, Spaceship Command V)

Alternatively, this means that your drop-dead training deadlines are as follows. (By "drop-dead deadline", I mean the latest date possible that you could enter the required skills into your training queue and still get the benefit when Odyssey arrives, again assuming you have zero skills, don't use remaps, and have no implants.)

  • If you want to fly every Destroyer post-Odyssey with maximum skills, you must start training every <Racial> Frigate IV and Destroyers V no later than May 14.
  • If you want to fly every Destroyer and Battlecruiser post-Odyssey with maximum skills, you must start training all of the above, plus every <Racial> Cruiser III and Battlecruisers V, no later than April 4.
  • If you want to fly Command Ships post-Odyssey, then start training Battlecruisers V, Warfare Link Specialist IV, and Spaceship Command V (and inject Command Ships), no later than April 12.

If you're less than two months old, then you almost certainly won't have the skills to fly the revamped ship skill tree in Odyssey anyway. But you can get most of the benefits if you train up to Battlecruisers III instead of V. So do this:

  • train all Racial Frigate skills to IV
  • train Destroyers V
  • train all Racial Cruiser skills to III
  • train Battlecruisers III

This takes only 26d (probably less since you likely have already invested some time in the frigate skills), so your drop-dead deadline is May 9.

Details

First, most of the skill changes are net reductions in training time, so that newer players can get into ships faster for a given class. However, the overall ship progression has lengthened, in that if you can't already fly a particular kind of ship, it now takes you somewhat longer to reach that point.

Second, there are three very large changes happening to the original frigate ⇒ cruiser ⇒ battleship progression. First, the overall progression now looks like this: frigate ⇒ destroyer ⇒ cruiser ⇒ battlecruiser ⇒ battleship. That is, prior to Odyssey, you can get to Battleships without ever training destroyers or battlecruisers; post-Odyssey that won't be possible.

Additionally, every skill in the new progression is now racial. In other words, instead of there being one Battlecruisers or Destroyers skill, there are now four Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills, one for each race, just like the other ship classes.

Third, the requirements to train the Command Ships skill are becoming much harder (you'll need every Warfare skill at V, Spaceship Command V, and Warfare Link Specialist IV), while at the same time, the requirements to fly command ships are decreasing. That means that if you have already injected the Command Ships skill pre-Odyssey, you can bypass the new tougher requirements for injection (since you already have it injected). Flying the ships themselves will require <Racial> Battlecruisers V instead of <Racial> Cruiser V.

Fourth, freighters have become a little bit easier to cross-train into. All Freighters now require Advanced Spaceship Command V, but you only have to train each <Racial> Industrial up to III instead of V. That means it's harder to train for your first freighter, but (much!) easier to train into subsequent freighters.

That's everything in a nutshell, at least with respect to the ship changes. You can read the original dev blog post here. Start firing up your training queues!

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Post 2013.03.26 19:36

Odyssey Skill Changes and You

I'll look into making an amusing video of some sorts that yells this at people later. Also maybe a video explaining clones...
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Post 2013.03.26 19:52

Re: Odyssey Skill Changes and You

Thank you for the excellent clarificaiton!
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Post 2013.03.26 19:57

Re: Odyssey Skill Changes and You

Seluna Cressen wrote:If you're less than two months old, then you almost certainly won't have the skills to fly the revamped ship skill tree in Odyssey anyway. But you can get most of the benefits if you train up to Battlecruisers III instead of V. So do this:


Wonderful post, as usual, Seluna.

Just one question : To me, the big advantage of BC V now is the 22-odd days (per racial) BC V I'm saving from later. How do you arrive at the bit highlighted above? Even training Dessies V all four times would seem to be less of a cost than BC V now, so it would make sense to me to suggest they train BC V rather than Dessies V if it comes down to it. Especially since (iirc) any SP's are duplicated over even if don't finish the training. Thanks!
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Post 2013.03.26 20:06

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If you want to use a clock to compare how much time is left versus your EFT plan time, check out this link.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130604T11&p0=211&msg=Odyssey

If you use EFT, you can import the xml file below and create a plan to get Racial Frigates to 4, Desi to 5, Racial Cruisers to 3, and Battlecruisers to 5. I added Cybernetics 1 so that you can install the +3 Basic implants for Perception and Willpower to shave some time off. Without implants or remap, it will take just over 60 days. With no remap, but the 2 +3 implants (Ocular Filter - Basic and Neural Boost - Basic), it is down to 52 and a half days. The implants can be gotten at a discount from the UNI. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Implants_Program
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If you have already taken care of the above skills and want to fly all the Command Ships after Odyssey comes out, make a plan with the file below. Without a remap and all +3 implants it is almost 47 days.
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Post 2013.03.26 20:10

Odyssey Skill Changes and You

Thanks for the overview, Seluna.

I'm almost "there" with BC V and wasn't planning on going for the whole Command Ships skillset, but from the looks of it, the stretch isn't that large, and since you never know what you might be working towards later, the pre-Odessey "rebate" is hard to resist
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Post 2013.03.26 20:23

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Keris Soleil wrote:Just one question : To me, the big advantage of BC V now is the 22-odd days (per racial) BC V I'm saving from later. How do you arrive at the bit highlighted above? Even training Dessies V all four times would seem to be less of a cost than BC V now, so it would make sense to me to suggest they train BC V rather than Dessies V if it comes down to it. Especially since (iirc) any SP's are duplicated over even if don't finish the training. Thanks!

By "most of the benefits" I was referring to the ship boosts you actually get, rather than training time. For example, Battlecruisers III means that your Hurricane gets a 15% bonus to projectile weapon damage and ROF and takes about 1d to train. Going to Battlecruisers V takes an extra 22d but only gives you a 10% additional bonus. So most of the benefits (60%) occur up to Battlecruisers III and are easy to get; you have to work very hard to get the last 40%.

You are absolutely correct that if you want to maximize your SP bonus, you should train BC V here. But as I mentioned, if you're very new, you're not going to have the skills to effectively fly battlecruisers for quite a while (T2 medium/large turrets are a not-insignificant train, for instance). Rushing into ships you don't understand how to fly yet is a fun exercise but a waste of ISK.
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Post 2013.03.26 20:45

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Seluna Cressen wrote:stuff.


Ah, OK. Thanks for clearing that up. Makes much more sense to me now! :D
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Post 2013.03.26 21:00

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Good post!

And for those of a more visual nature, PICTURESSS!!!! (shamelessly stolen from the TEST forums somewhere / not including the Command ship skills):
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Post 2013.03.26 22:26

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A very good post Seluna! Very detailed and explanatory. Thank you. :D
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Post 2013.03.26 23:27

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Post 2013.03.26 23:33

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Post 2013.03.26 23:34

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Great post thx ,

Now it has me thinking is it worth training BC V unless I am going to fly command ships and that is a long long way in the future ?
I already have all Racial Frigs IV , Racial Cruiser III and BC IV, 3 days left on Dessie V before I have to make choice, probably better finishing off missile skills for T2 LIght & Heavies and then finish skills for T2 shield tank but still some weeks before I will have enough ISK to buy and fit out 2 Drakes ... following the don't fly what you cannot lose motto.
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Post 2013.03.26 23:36

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Can I steal this for the RvB Forums?

(I will credit you obviously and link back to here).
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Post 2013.03.26 23:37

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I just want to comment that you kick ASS for giving start dates for these trains. Incredibly helpful info thank you for this.
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