Zeroniss wrote:The role of the support fleet is to keep the capital fleet safe. With the amount of time and effort that was/is being invested in the Uni scouting program, I would have thought that they would perform a little fucking better than this. Spread a perimeter out to 10ly with your scouts covering possible jump routes. Guaranteed you will catch wind of a supercapital fleet moving towards you.
A smidgen of research shows that the enemy fleet would almost definitely have used the Aeman constellation as the nearest midpoint (that's the Otou-Rancer constellation).
Obviously I wasn't there, so I don't know the story. It strikes me as likely that NCDot weren't specifically waiting for the uni cap fleet to come out, they probably found out either just before or while it was happening, unless there's a relationship between Sicarus. and NCDot that I don't know about. To be fair to the uni scouts, if you don't know who's coming, it's a little difficult to accurately scout any possible staging system for a supercap fleet that may or may not be coming from somewhere in eve. Working this out is the intel department's job I guess, but no-one's perfect.
Of course, if it was known that Sicarus. had big and powerful friends they could batphone, then that's a whole nother story. In that instance, likely staging points should have been identified and eyes should have been kept in system to make sure there was some semblance of warning. If the dreads were in siege then there might not have been much you could have done, but then that's why you need to be careful when you siege dreads. The other things that comes to mind is that, while I'm not a cap pilot personally, you've got a lot of friends in nullsec who know about this kind of thing, most of whom would probably have been happy to help or advise.
Whatever the rest of the story, having all your frigates and cruisers popped by the POS is slightly embarrassing. They were going to be contributing minimal power to the POS bash and are pretty needless losses really. They'd have been better off camping the gate.
Gibson Thunderbird wrote:Hot dropped at the POS bash. Folks, when you undock one of these beasts, you write it off. Any returns are pure gravy.
Yeah, course, the alliance reimbursement program will cover your dread loss. Oh wait...
Even massive nullsec alliances with tech moons for income tend to think carefully before deploying dreads. I'm not completely convinced that people thought this through.
From a POS gunners POV;
A large Eve Uni fleet passed me in Hi-sec on the way to their target system , It wasnt until a hour later after a Eve uni pod passed me followed by a notifacation that the pos was under attack, I made best speed to the POS.
The attack was outside our prime time on Valentines day and tbh I was the only one Within Sicarius online, soooo I warped to the tower and started looking at the situ, I saw the following;
1) Several Dreads with a Carrier supporting them
2) Shed load of BS's and varying support, Basilsks, onerious etc
Realising I was the only pos gunner I assumed control of some Arties and started alphaing the Bs's and support, quite a few got away but also quite a few died, due to the fact they were all stationary.
I sent a few texts to a few corpies to get some online but most are at work, so I just continued picking them off.
Once a couple of friends logged in (Corpies) we formulated a quick plan and docked swapped ships for a few dreads to engage their dreads and carrier.
While in warp to the position on the edgeof the shields, NC. entered system, at first I thought it was more Eve Uni, and after a few secs I realised Eve uni were being hotdropped by NC.
Now just to make things clear at this stage, we did not call NC. nor are we in any way allied to them, apart from a few pilots that may know me, tbh they wont know of our existance.
Once all of the EVE uni CAps were removed from the field, Eve Uni left the system.
After a while Eve uni returned with just a BS gang and support, again I started picking their support off , at this point only a handful of mods were operational, till For some reason they all started shoooting the tower leaving a webber abd a med auto cannon in my hands,
so this is where they frigates and cruisers were being removed along with 30 or so t2 sentry drones.
POS entered reinforce and the remaining gun was incapped once they realised what was happening.
Now I tip my hat to Eve uni, and what they took away from this along with the loss of a no of replaceable capitals is experience at shooting pos's, some advice
1) If you warp at pos at distance and a gunner with arties can see yo, you can be shot, large artilleries and med ones are very painful
2) dont sit still
3) dont leave that sized blob with capitals at a pos for 2 hours, its a lovely beacon on the map
4) logistics, logistics, logistics
Now lets put this down to a learning experience, I enjoyed the battle, didnt enjoy the pos repping though after lol. Im sure you guys at Eve uni had fun and 'that' is what the game is about.
Take from the experience what you want but Eve Uni brings the fight, has shown the ability to fight, and behaved impecably during our engagements, I and my colleagues/friends enjoyed our scraps,
One thing though, as a pos gunner it is hard work alpha ing, changing tgts, tgt calling and using the guns on the best tgts, I have noted on your campaign that any ship killed by the pos guns isnt included in the overall campaign, even though its down as a tower, the tower was opeated and guns used by pos gunners. with that in mind our stats vary greatly, however im just pointing this out.http://killfeed.eveuniversity.org/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=7http://scia.eve-kill.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=15773